One of my favorite websites has outdone itself once again. The Smoking Gun has 'em, my friends. The Jason Grimsley Statements.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...grimsley1.html

Performance enhancing drugs are not a Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire, and Rafael Palmeiro thing. Performance enhancing drugs are not what propelled the stars above the others at the MLB level. 175 lb. Carl Crawford. Jason Grimsley. Dare I say that maybe, just maybe, the man who's career was OVER, Roger Clemens was juicin'.

The fingers are pointed at the stars. Understandable. But, when the rulemakers allow for something, it is not cheating, IMO.

I said this 5 years ago, most of them are on something. Suddenly in the new millenia pitchers are still dominant in their 40's??? Or their careers take off in the mid 30's??? C'mon

If i was a pro athlete I would take anything I could get my hands on. It's the difference between having a job and not. Or, making $1,000,000 or $10,000,000

All the homerun records should stand because the pitchers were on to!

Not everyone's on it and it's very poor to assume so. Take a look at guys like Albert Pujols and Mark Teixeira, or even Ryan Howard. They were brought through the systems when testing started to crack down and be done seriously, and all have passed with flying colors.

It is easy to see why someone like Grimsley, a journeyman pitcher trying to make his mark despite his apparent lack of skill, would take enhancers. But not every pitcher is on it. Carlos Zambrano. Johan Santana. Roy Hallday. Mark Buerhle. All top pitchers and all steering clear of this crap.

Take even John Smoltz as an example. A decent pitcher in his 30s, now granted, it's mainly because he had a fresh arm by converting from closer (yes he was a SP before then). Not every older SOLID player is on roids or enhancers but yes, some might.

Clemens...I'm not going to say one way or the other but I hope not.

Not everyone's on it and it's very poor to assume so. Take a look at guys like Albert Pujols and Mark Teixeira, or even Ryan Howard. They were brought through the systems when testing started to crack down and be done seriously, and all have passed with flying colors.

Dude, Barry Bonds has passed every drug test!!! No test for human growth hormone or designer drugs, which these guys can afford. HGH is $1200 for 30 days, designer drugs can be more. And a lot of these guys are doing 2 or 3 kits of HGH a month.

I know the guy who gives a ton of athletes juice, the Balco of the east coast. I've been in the gym game for 10 years, know pro athletes, strongman, weightlifters, bodybuilders, and the trainers and dieticians who work with them. 3/4s of pro athletes are doing something illegal.

But not every pitcher is on it. Carlos Zambrano. Johan Santana. Roy Hallday. Mark Buerhle. All top pitchers and all steering clear of this crap.

How do YOU know???? 2 years ago we would have said the same of Raffy Palmeiro.

Take even John Smoltz as an example. A decent pitcher in his 30s, now granted, it's mainly because he had a fresh arm by converting from closer (yes he was a SP before then). Not every older SOLID player is on roids or enhancers but yes, some might.

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Look, I'm not trying to preach to you or be a conspiracy guy but, I know these guys and their mentality. They would rather die at 50 and be great, than be an also ran. My cousin played in the NFL, A good friend of mine is the strength and conditioning guy for a major sports circuit, his wife has worked for BC, Arizona State and other colleges.

If you told a pro athlete that eating their dogs first shit in the morning would make them better 1/2 of them would do it.

Clemens...I'm not going to say one way or the other but I hope not.

The word hope sums it up. Noone wants to believe their heros/respected sports figures are cheating, but they are. But, to me it's not cheating, it's the evolution of the game. Should they be barred from weightliflting, supplements, diets, because they didn't have those things back in the day??? of course not, if both pitchers and hitters are doing it, it should cancel each other out.

And I am speaking from experience. I have done steroids in the past. I know what they do and how they work, the side effects (which are grossly overstated), the differences between the 100's of steroids, and so on.

Seany, you're still using superstars for our argument. What Steve and I are saying (I honestly thought you'd disagree) is that with every fluke like Brady Anderson and Ken Caminiti, there are about 15-20 pitchers and non-pitchers who never made the big leagues on the juice.

Doug Buffone, NFL's Chicago Bear legend, said that EVERYONE was on amphetemines in football in his day. That mentality to get the edge wouldn't take the majority to go to more enhacing performance enhancing drugs? You're lying to yourself.

Every athlete has GNC stores in their locker? Ad they all want to excel and rise higher. After a while, they hit a ceiling and it sends you to rock bottom depression for these Type A personalities. At rock bottom, you'll do anything to strive to get what you wat. When it's allowed, the ethical questions are answered. No, it's not cheating until you get caught by a third party.

Pujols, Texiera, Howard, D. Lee, Ortiz have excelled in a post-steroid era. Steroids were at its highest, not when we heard about it, but the 15-20 years before we heard about it.

The records stand. Bonds' playing field was equal to a vast majority of other hitters that the stats are cross-referenced in his era, and especially the pitchers.

Satchel Paige beagn his career in 1926. How many of Ruth's home runs were off of Satchel? How many of Dizzy Dean and Bob Feller's wins were against Josh Gibson's Grays?

It was commonplace prior to the amphetamines ban in baseball for teammates to ridicule and question their teammates commitment if they didn't take "greenies" or other amphetamines. So almost every major leaguer was taking illegal drugs.

The old adages, "if you ain't cheating you ain't trying" and "it's only cheating if you get caught" fit in nicely here.

Do you realize how many non-athletes use steroids??? Just for vanity reasons. Imagine when millions of dollars are riding on it. Steroids give a player just enough of an edge that it could mean the difference between AAA and the Majors.

The superstars use it, the utility players use it, the relief pitchers use it, and the players who never made it use them. not all of them, but a high percentage do or have.

With steroids you can gain 40lbs , stop using them and maintain 15lbs of that, so its not like you have to do them forever or all year round. A normal cycle is in the 3 month range (hmm, just about an offseason)

Originally Posted by Steve-O

Do you realize how many non-athletes use steroids??? Just for vanity reasons. Imagine when millions of dollars are riding on it. Steroids give a player just enough of an edge that it could mean the difference between AAA and the Majors.

Hell, let's stick to athletes.

You're telling me that HGH and drugs that baseball players have never heard of aren't rampant in football? In FOOTBALL?! Look at Brian Urlacher as a senior in college. Look at him 4 months later in draft workouts. Look at him 3 months later in Bears camp. C'mon now. You're tellin' me that Brett Favre is just more a freak of nature than other scrambling quarterbacks his size that he can play every game for 6,000 years?!

Dead Spin.com, for those who don't know is the most reputable internet blogspot for sports with GREAT journalists. I'd say that they're second to the boys at Baseball Prospectus.com (my home page). Well, they got some names and I will say this is NOT a site that will bash anything Cardinals. Pujols' oblique tear is the same tear that Sosa had when he sneezed. It was fishy, but I couldn't believe it. When I heard oblique, which is hard to tear, Sosa was my first thought.

Here we go:
http://deadspin.com/sports/baseball/...mes-179400.php

What do you think?

EDIT: Though, I hate the Cardinals with a passion, it's hard to dislike Pujols and I think no less of him as I think no less of anyone else juicin'. Just passin' on the link. You might hear about this later.