Myself(Janfranco25) and chernoivanov are heads up after the flop. He has been fairly solid. Tightish but limping into pots quite a bit with random hands incl. 66 in showdown. Have seen him call down with the 66 after a reraise pre on a dry board and min value bet the river when turn was checked round. Min was so strange as the pot was 26,000 and min was 1,600. He must have known he had the best hand by then to be called by Ahigh, This is relevant because he min bet 1,600 the flop with 3 runners of a pot of 7,400. Board was J 10 9 two diamonds (see below) I had j 10 and raised to 4,100. Turn was a 4 bringing 2 spades, he checked I bet just over half pot and he shoved. I folded. very unhappily...I felt like he slow played the stright on the flop, looking back not so sure though as he may have shoved QJ of spades with a draw n the turn??

NOTE: The Hand history player is further down in a later post!!

i see now why they want hand converted, regardless...

where u at in tourney? ITM/bubble?

how often you fold to check-raise?

the way you played, you have to call. iffin you put them on QsJs, you are still `60/40, and you did bet the 8k...

when you fold here(in the described spot), you should have folded preflop

The hand history is now below! It was a limped pot and I was on the button. Late stages of tourney just in the money but plenty more play to go. We both had large stacks and his shove put me all in for an extra 35K or so. Felt like I was behind and thought why would he shove when I'm representing strength?? wouldnt he jus call with a draw. thanks for your comments, reckon you have a good point, because it was my tournament life I was leaning towards the fold and perhaps too weary of the slowplay. I have seen ppl min bet the nutz tho. tricky and weird. plus stupid

Hadn't folded to any check raise b4. Betting flop and check/raising turn does confuse me however.

FRIENDLY Output From 2012-05-17 14:58:25 PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 5.5 Tournament, 800/1600 Blinds 200 Ante (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com BB (t35329) UTG (t71600) UTG+1 (t57951) MP1 (t53339) MP2 (t32504) MP3 (t53968) CO (t67281) Hero (Button) (t46181) SB (t32275) Hero's M: 11.00 Preflop: Hero is Button with , 4 folds, MP3 calls t1600, 1 fold, Hero calls t1600, 1 fold, BB checks Flop: (t7400) , , (3 players) BB checks, MP3 bets t1600, Hero raises to t4196, 1 fold, MP3 calls t2596 Turn: (t15792) (2 players) MP3 checks, Hero bets t8135, MP3 raises to t47972 (All-In), Hero folds Total pot: t32062

"It was a limped pot and I was on the button..."

Becuz you limped the button! At this stage, limp from the blinds, not the button.

"Late stages of tourney...
We both had large stacks and his shove put me all..."

I think I have the idea. You played the hand, I'm just trying to help, wink.

JTs on the button, ITM, on big stack, limped pot is always a raise.

As played, i would still call. "Felt like I was behind.." Behind what? You have top2, with a 4 card redraw, blocking any set, so flopped str? Or is it QJ?

Maybe just me, but I wouldn't limped lose 15k on the button with JTs

ok but if you would always raise here to steal and if called, all the money would seem to go in anyway. I do steal from button even if limped but tend not to when you get players who call down a lot. Don't think limping is a bad play here when you have a good flopping hand with position after another limp and a biggish stack. A flopped straight is I think fairly likely although tricky. more thought on his betting patterns needed to really make an educated guess but do know he min value bets as he did on flop, my raise on flop was a valued but curious one to see if he'd shove, when he called i thought he was drawing so bet again. I did rule out a set and esp.99 as he would raise pre, but a 4 card redraw was like 9% to win to a straight. Regardless, probably should have made the call yes after investing so much in the pot.

Well I would raise here not to steal, but becoz I think JTs is strong enuff to raise the button, plus position(blah, blah), and if either blind wakes up with a hand, and reraises(eval), or shoves(I can find an easy fold). When you limp here, and the blinds make a std raise, you are kind of forced to call, just for pot odds(obv other player actions may ensue...), which may not be a bad thing, but I prefer to have the initiative(u ITM, have decent stack, personally, I play aggressive. With pos, you can become more passive throughout the hand.

If the tbl is full of limp callers(flop bunnies), then you need to open raise bigger, not be a limp caller yourself. Just becoz the whole tbl is full of limpers, doesn't mean you have a licence to be a flop bunny, again, imo.

u have a better read on villain than I do, you played with them, I didn't. Also, results oriented analysis, can go 14 levels deep, whereas in the heat of battle, time is limited, and decisions need to be made. This may be ticky tacky, but did u put them on QsJs, or some combo of QsJs, KQ, Q8o, Qs8s. If you put them on latter, don't raise the flop, and check behind the turn. IF you raise the flop 'to find where youse at', then you always check behind on the turn(as their flop call, tells u)...

I would have called the shove on the turn, the way he played the hand I believe you were ahead. He was either on a flush/straight draw(likely both), or he had top pair. I doubt he had a set or a straight already, but I could be wrong.