Hi all,


at the moment i am playing $1 turbo sit and go's 10 seats on party poker.

Im trying to build a bankroll from low limits and i fancy myself a decent player but am having no luck in these limits

For example, i am on the dealer button.. blinds are 30,60 or something and its raised to 180 from middle position. I reraise from the button to 480 with pocket kings and get two callers..

Flop comes 4 7 2 rainbow, everyone checks to me where i bet out half pot and get raised all in from the small blind. I call with a smile as they show 2 - 3 ofsuit but hit a 3 on the turn.

I am encountering alot of these crazy calls !

Even got called with a 4 bet. I held pocket aces and got a 4 bet all in called by k 6 offsuit only to have my aces destroyed by two pair.

Anyone have any advice?

Run better.

Sounds to me like great games to be in make a note of these two exact p layers because in the long run in less they improve their play they will be basically atming you cash. Its important to know that the one p layer can re raise you with bottom pair and a terrible kicker (maybe he thought you had AK?) in a heavily raised preflop pot.

You did nothing wrong in these hands vs these oppo nents you just have to know that while you were well ahead at times you will get beaten by worse hands, its just poker nothing more to say. I think the fact that they pick really bad spots and bad hands to call and then bluff is really good as it makes your decisions vs them a lot easier the texture of the board was such that you were either well ahead or well behind its also interesting that your op ponent held 23 because even though he can hit a low flop he seems to be playing consecutive numbers and therefore the chances of him holding a 72 were slim the showdown has helped you work out his likely holdings/playing style. a set was a p ossibility with this re raise and vs a decent opponent a strong likelihood.

But now you know that a lot of your profit can come from this player and better to be sucked out on by poor op pponents then be put to difficult decisions by good ones. I think when the cash went in he 23 hand he had 20% chance to win. In the AA vs k6 k6 was at twelve percent

Keep p laying these hands aggressively though as this is making your opponents react to you or see you as a bounty by the looks of it and raising the flop with your aa 1/2 was a good thing too it looks a bit weak like an air continuation bet and has prompted the foolish re raise by your oppponent. I would p ersonally go for a 2/3 pot to make drawing with a 56 more expensive and charge for all crazy two pair draws or whatever a calling station may go for but there is no right or wrong way to play a hand if you have your own strategy that works for extracting value. I just like to bet bigger as I know the chance of a hand like AA being best at the end rap idly diminishes with the number of cards seen. These players have shown they will call and be aggressive almost regardless so I don't think you will scare them off drawing thinly.

I think your preflop aggro is perfect here and you should definately not get into the habit of playing passively preflop because of being snakebit by beats. You will find it hard to narrow ranges and force good hands to re raise if you are passive and you will get beaten by junk, you ideally want to force mistakes with aggro with kk aa by getting hands like 10s JavaScript qs and ak aq to be overaggressive and shove. call for a flop etc whilst charging crap to suckout or eliminating it pre.

Because you are playing weak players you will see a lot of profit long run but also a lot of variance because they want to see all the cards to showdown- more cards more suckouts. Having a greater number of players see the flop will upyour variance too.

gl hope your next post is about how you have crushed these games over a longer period

Thanks for the reply peter

When you talk about variance do you mean my bankroll is going to fluctuate more at these lower limits?

I downloaded Sit and Go wizard and according to that my small stack strategy is pretty solid since you need a good solid strategy in the turbo games as the blinds go up quickly.

The only problem i have about betting 3/4 the pot is when you start doing this instead of a 1/2 c-bet wouldnt good players get a good reading of your bets? Knowing that if u 3/4 bet then you have a good solid hand and then if you were to 1/2 c-bet you could have anything really.

You want to forget about this whole "charging for draws" concept, it's just so 2009. It doesn't matter how much you bet vs most fish they're going to call on their draws regardless. So the answer isn't to charge for draws but to pot control. You should bet half pot and alot of the time less than that with virtualy any holding on virtually any flop. This will make you far harder to read and secondly will induce tons of crap to shove over you.

Originally Posted by RagzToRiches

You want to forget about this whole "charging for draws" concept, it's just so 2009. It doesn't matter how much you bet vs most fish they're going to call on their draws regardless. So the answer isn't to charge for draws but to pot control. You should bet half pot and alot of the time less than that with virtualy any holding on virtually any flop. This will make you far harder to read and secondly will induce tons of crap to shove over you.

There is a problem with your mindset. When you charge for draws, it is because you want it to be less profitable for them to continue, while pushing your own equity edge. Pot controlling isn't about being scared of being drawn out on, it's about keeping the pot smaller and other medium strenght hands in that we can potentially valuebet on the river..
The style you suggest is also high variance and a bit silly. Having a blanket statement of you should generally "this or that" isn't good, poker is a game of near infinite situations, with each situation having proper course of action.

@OP, hands are played from as far as we know, stack sizes are VERY important in tournaments, please post them or make a guess.

Whilst each scenario is different, and indeed vs fish that you're unlikely to see again, betting accordingly to the given situation can be varied. However, I speak from SnG's where I see the same faces every day, and even though fish come and go aplenty, the bet sizes still stay relatively static because the other regs are taking note and watching the patterns. My thinking is the most advanced in my game, just as my ROI is also, and just as I experience the lowest amount of variance in my games.

I have no idea of your poker ability, your assurances don't change my opinion any. While being a successful SNG is respectable, the skillset to become a top SNG player is quite small compared to cashgame play. Link me some stats I can see and leave the boasting out.

I agree cash game is considerably more advanced, but that has nothing to do with the SnG section does it. That said, I don't think I've ever seen a cash game player make the transition to SnG's and not be awful but I've seen plenty of good tourney players make great cash gamers.

I'll leave out boasting when you leave out telling me my style is silly and high variance when it quite evidently isn't. Search me yourself, it's not hard.