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    Default Building a Bankroll through SNG's and small MTT's

    Hi ive been playing for a quite a while but found myself trying to win the big tourneys and it eventually cripples my bankroll...like most starter players I assume.

    I have recently decided to play small stake $5-10 sng's and 2 table sng's anda I have about $230 dollars in my bankroll.

    First off any tips for steadily building a bankroll? I know basic strategy for these types of games is sit tight at the beginning and then loosen up when the blinds get big, but what else could I do to give me an edge? I know thats pretty broad but any hints?

    Also I know there is alot of Software now for online poker and I want to invest seeming everybody else is. What do you recommend as the best software to use on pokerstars?

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    I do the reverse, I'm looser when the blinds are small, then tighten up when the blinds are bigger and you're closer to the money.

    I recommend Pokertracker 3, pretty nifty. They have a 60 day free trial, can't beat that!

    http://www.pokertracker.com/

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    Some helpful programs are
    Pokerstove(Free). Good for figuring out how much equity your hand has against an opponents hand or range

    Poker Tracker/Holdem Manager (Trial ~$45). Most popular for live information provided by a HUD. You can track your stats and progress as well. Also it provides easy access to your hand histories for post session review.

    Sng Wizard (Trial 30 days, $100). Good for low M shove/fold situations. Makes getting a feel for ICM a lot easier

    Flopzilla (7 day trial I think, $25). Good for studying how a flop interacts with an opponents percieved range. Really good for understanding what action to take on a given board.

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    I'll make a few recommendations:

    #1: Play $2 and $3 S&G's until you have $500, and learn to play at least 6 tables at a time --Sit n Go profit comes from volume

    #2: Read Secrets of Sit and Gos by Phil Shaw ($10-$15 or available through the Full Tilt store)

    #3: Get yourself a sharkscope subscription (you can get it for like $16.month for 150 searches per day)

    When you have $500:

    #4: Join a Sit and Go training site like SitnGoGrinders.com ($20/month no initial signup fee) or Grinder School ($20/month).

    #5: Purchase Sit n Go Wizard --I think Sitngogrinders gives a discount on it????
    Last edited by KnightofNarg; 03-07-2011 at 02:31 PM.
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    Thanks guys, ive already ordered the book.

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    What Steve said...

    When playing SnGs, you want to have at least 100 buy-ins in your account. These things have a good bit of variance.
    I study at KRE8R's School of Bankroll Management.

    If you IM me looking for money or a trade, you will be blocked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by triple-t View Post
    What Steve said...

    When playing SnGs, you want to have at least 100 buy-ins in your account. These things have a good bit of variance.
    I love reading stuff like this. It obviously means I'm doing something very right when it comes to my poker game. I started with a deposit of $25 not to long ago. I Have since built my online winnings to around 4K, playing nothing but SNGs. I have 2 accounts on the main site I play on. I use one as a "poker bank account" to hold my profits while they add up until I'm ready to cash out a good amount. I use the other to play on. I usually only keep around 20 buy-ins on that account. Once I turn that into about 40 buy-ins or so, I transfer all but 20 buy-ins into the "poker bank account" and repeat the cycle. It has been very effective for me.

    I think I've only had to move money from my "poker bank account" back into my other account 2 times. Once was a result of drunken tilting. The other was a result of drunken cash tabeling. LOL. I rarely drink and poker now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ipokergood View Post
    I rarely drink and poker now.
    I'll play online when I'm inebriated, but only at the penny tables. Live, I always have about 2 beers early in my session. It allows me to calm my nerves, but doesn't buzz me enough to negatively affect my play.
    I study at KRE8R's School of Bankroll Management.

    If you IM me looking for money or a trade, you will be blocked.

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    I think the other guys covered most of it already.

    If you're playing SNGs, definitely get SNG Wiz. Learn it enough to get a basic idea of how your push/fold ranges should adjust according to your stack, the other player's stacks, the stage/blinds and prize pool. Once you get an idea of ICM, you probably won't have to study it for other games. A lot of it because common sense, more or less.

    But after you get a basic idea, I'd stop using it. It can have a tendency to limit your end game (abusing the bubble, shoving in -EV spots because of a lack of FE, etc).

    Get PokerStove. It'll be your bestest friend. Same with HEM or PT3.

    And review a lot. If you're just starting out, I'd review almost 50% of the time you have for poker. Than decrease as you move up/improve.


    Quote Originally Posted by zerealdeal View Post
    Hi ive been playing for a quite a while but found myself trying to win the big tourneys and it eventually cripples my bankroll...like most starter players I assume.

    I have recently decided to play small stake $5-10 sng's and 2 table sng's anda I have about $230 dollars in my bankroll.

    First off any tips for steadily building a bankroll? I know basic strategy for these types of games is sit tight at the beginning and then loosen up when the blinds get big, but what else could I do to give me an edge? I know thats pretty broad but any hints?

    Also I know there is alot of Software now for online poker and I want to invest seeming everybody else is. What do you recommend as the best software to use on pokerstars?

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