Good call or bad call?

**profnabeshin** · 12-15-2010

I was eliminated by calling an all-in that I am not sure if it was +EV or not.

This is about 2/3rds the way through the field, not at the money yet.

blinds are 100/200.

Hero is UTG with (AJos)
Hero min raises 400
UTG +1 calls 400
4 folds
LP raises all-in for 6K
folds back to me. I started the hand with 3300 in chips. I now have 2900 to call pot has 4K. The range of hands that I have him on is
any pair 5-5's and up or any Ace 8-up (saw him shove with no money in pot earlier with 5's).

How do I calculate if this was a good call or bad call?

**KnightofNarg** · 12-15-2010

The equity you need to breakeven with a call is [Amount to Call/Total Pot]

400(you)+400(utg)+3300(His bet for your effective stack size) + 300(SB+BB) = Pot of 4400 (you say 4k though...)
2900/(4400+2900)
2900/7300

39.7% Needed equity

Using pokerstove we calculate your equity against his range

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.441% 43.53% 00.92% 590266140 12417462.00 { AJo }
Hand 1: 55.559% 54.64% 00.92% 741043704 12417462.00 { 55+, A8s, A8o }

Using your info this is a +ev call

(Note this only figures out chip ev, things get a little different close to the money and ICM comes into play.)

**profnabeshin** · 12-15-2010

OK, stove, is that a free program?

**KnightofNarg** · 12-15-2010

Yes, it's free. And a VERY useful program for figuring out equities

**Marm** · 12-15-2010

Try using this:

Poker Outs

Little spread sheet I wrote up a few years, perfect for the situation your in now.

This will be an additon to Pokerstove, as you can assign % chances of him holding individual hands. As in hes twice as likely to have pushed with a pair rather than a medium ace.

**profnabeshin** · 12-16-2010

Originally Posted by KnightofNarg

The equity you need to breakeven with a call is [Amount to Call/Total Pot]

400(you)+400(utg)+3300(His bet for your effective stack size) + 300(SB+BB) = Pot of 4400 (you say 4k though...)
2900/(4400+2900)
2900/7300

39.7% Needed equity

Using pokerstove we calculate your equity against his range

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.441% 43.53% 00.92% 590266140 12417462.00 { AJo }
Hand 1: 55.559% 54.64% 00.92% 741043704 12417462.00 { 55+, A8s, A8o }

Using your info this is a +ev call

(Note this only figures out chip ev, things get a little different close to the money and ICM comes into play.)

Does a call become better or worse when it's close to the money? Either then the hand range loosens because nobody wants to call and be eliminated or his hand range shrinks because nobody wants to shove with anything but nuts?

**Marm** · 12-16-2010

Originally Posted by profnabeshin

Does a call become better or worse when it's close to the money? Either then the hand range loosens because nobody wants to call and be eliminated or his hand range shrinks because nobody wants to shove with anything but nuts?

Depends. Both.

Depends on what his goal is.

Just getting ITM is not enough for some. In order to make a deep run, you need a stack, and on the bubble is a fabulous place to build a stack, as everybody else goes meek trying to just cash.

But if all your going for is ITM, then tight it is.

The math is way too complicated in large feild tournaments to accurately calculate stack equity vs payouts. (Usually at best, a human can do it by hand with only 3 players left, anymore the math gets really tedious). So it all depends on what his intents are, and to be honest, theres no way to figure that out online, aside from finding his past data, or finding him on forums.

**LetsPlayPoker** · 12-26-2010

Wow... Shoving all-in with a very wide range of hands? You were playing against gus hansen!!

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