Won big with TT, but could I have got them both out as well?

**Lovemonk** · 09-05-2009

PPokerStars Hold-em Tourney ($5.00+$0.40), Big Blind is t20 (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from triple-t
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saw flop|saw showdown

CO (t1500)
Button (t1540)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
UTG+2 (t1480)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
Lovemonk (t1500)
Lovemonk is MP3 with

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Pre-Flop:
1 folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Lovemonk raises to t80, 3 folds, BB calls, 3 folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: (Pot=t310)

(3 players)
BB bets t80, MP2 calls, Lovemonk calls.

Turn: (Pot=t550)

(3 players)
BB bets t100, MP2 calls, Lovemonk raises to t400, BB calls, MP2 calls.

River: (Pot=t1750)

(3 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, Lovemonk bets t760, BB folds, MP2 folds.

Spoiler

I'm Lovemonk, obviously. Played that hand not long ago, and I'm very happy with it. However, it would have been great to knock one or both of the callers out. How could I have played that hand better? I called on the flop, sensing that their lack of pre-flop re-raise meant they didn't have me beat at that point. So I fancied sucking more cash out of them. So I called, hoping for a turn that changed nothing.

I was worried of letting them see stuff for free because if another K or A dropped, I reckon both would have had me beat. Any advice would be helpful, thanks.

Also, which output do you guys suggest I use for hand histories? Plain text, or... ? Edit: Nevermind, found the PokerForums.org format on lesstilt.com, so I assume you like that one. Heh...

**squeezyplayer** · 09-07-2009

preflop you should raise 3 times the big blind, plus an additional blind for every limper. since there are 4 limpers ahead of you, raise to (3+4) times the big blind, or 140. on the flop you should absolutely raise the weak donkbet, flatcalling is pretty bad. i'd pop it to 350 on so. similarly, you should raise much more on the turn than you did, i would think at least 550. by the time you get to the river, you have 940 chips remaining and the pot is 1750. i have no idea at this point why you wouldn't just go all in instead of holding back 180 chips for no apparent reason. if you think the slightly smaller bet here gets called by a significantly wider range of hands than the all in bet, you're wrong

**DeeYakaBaka** · 09-07-2009

I'd only limp along pf as ur very likely to have a number of callers if u raise and TT isnt a hand u want to play a multiway pot with so early in a DON (I'm assuming this is a $5.40 DON but I'd still only limp in any SNG), especially after putting ~10% of ur stack in pf with it.

As played, obv raise the flop as theres a lot of cards that can come that will beat u (Another A or K would be quite nice here instead of being horrible).

With the very drawy flop, the plan would be to raise enough to try to get it in on the turn while they will still call if on a draw. As played, it seems like both were on some kind of draw which wont get any further action once the river misses them.

My strategy for playing the DON's is to be ultra nitty early on and not to risk any significant portion of my stack pf without AA/KK. Play small-med pairs hoping to hit a set, stack someone and sit back with ur new 3k stack and cruise into the money. QED

**Lovemonk** · 09-08-2009

Originally Posted by squeezyplayer

preflop you should raise 3 times the big blind, plus an additional blind for every limper. since there are 4 limpers ahead of you, raise to (3+4) times the big blind, or 140. on the flop you should absolutely raise the weak donkbet, flatcalling is pretty bad. i'd pop it to 350 on so. similarly, you should raise much more on the turn than you did, i would think at least 550. by the time you get to the river, you have 940 chips remaining and the pot is 1750. i have no idea at this point why you wouldn't just go all in instead of holding back 180 chips for no apparent reason. if you think the slightly smaller bet here gets called by a significantly wider range of hands than the all in bet, you're wrong

Hey, thanks for the advice. I'll take all that on board, especially the 3xBB+1BBp/l concept. I've experimented with how to make my raises but not really settled on one yet, though I have been consistent with what I've done during any given tournament, at least.

People have told me that discussing hands online would open my eyes to lots of things and they were certainly right, I could have played the hand a lot better and potentially got a lot more money from it.

To explain my river bet... umm... I just assumed they'd fold anyway, so I shoved in an amount that if they DID call it would make the pot juicier, and if I lost I'd still have something left. Amateur thinking, I guess.

Originally Posted by DeeYakaBaka

My strategy for playing the DON's is to be ultra nitty early on and not to risk any significant portion of my stack pf without AA/KK. Play small-med pairs hoping to hit a set, stack someone and sit back with ur new 3k stack and cruise into the money. QED

It was a $5.40 DON, yeah. My DON strategy is usually to play tight early on whilst everything is established, and then open up a little as we enter the midway stage, stealing blinds and making plays to stay ahead of the blinds. Then go from there really.

**AUTigers99** · 09-08-2009

raise to 230-280 on the flop on this very draw heavy board.

**gigantes** · 09-11-2009

in case you're still reading--

Originally Posted by squeezyplayer

preflop you should raise 3 times the big blind, plus an additional blind for every limper.

is this your own personal system or from a book?

either way, what is the theory behind those specific numbers?

similarly, you should raise much more on the turn than you did, i would think at least 550.

same question- why that specific amount?

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