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    Default Is this sort of play viable?

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 5+0.50 Tournament, 1500/3000 Blinds 400 Ante (7 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Hero (SB) (t181718)
    BB (t65438)
    UTG (t62312)
    MP1 (t49794)
    MP2 (t116831)
    CO (t66158)
    Button (t182249)

    Hero's M: 24.89

    Preflop: Hero is SB with ,
    5 folds, Hero calls t1500, BB bets t12000, Hero raises to t181318 (All-In)

    Villain is 22/20 and seems pretty solid. I liked my hand and didn't want to raise and fold to a shove or get called and play oop, so I called then shoved as I figure I have good fold equity against his raising range and I look strong. We're down to the last 7 of a 450 man tourney so I'm hoping he doesn't want to gamble with anything less than premium cards. Is this a good play or is my logic fatally flawed?

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    Looks like you have a huge hand. I assume he folded.

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    he cant fold for 6000 odd more?
    who dares wins ;)

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    BB has 50k more,

    I'm not sure this is better than opening it risk / reward wise. Maybe it's just not a stratergy I use but is a good one. Generally though I think you risk too much to gain too little here, BB is representing strength here, if he has junk he just checks here a lot rather than trying to get you off your hand. Also its 4BBs quite a big open when my steals are 2.25x at this stage.

    I assume he has a big hand. I can only see this being +$EV to make this play if I have been limp folding a lot and want to ballence my range or have been limp folding a lot (BAD) or he reships every open I make.

    Just bet / fold IMO, don't think it's such a good hand post flop you need to get value. His raise calling range is AK, JJ+ most likely or possibly AJs 99+ if he thinks you are bluffing (if I made this move it would likely be presumed I was FOS as I bluff a tonne) other players not so much though. As limp RRs are often huge hands though, not sure you have great equity there much more than K2o does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 22Fish View Post
    BB has 50k more,

    I'm not sure this is better than opening it risk / reward wise. Maybe it's just not a stratergy I use but is a good one. Generally though I think you risk too much to gain too little here, BB is representing strength here, if he has junk he just checks here a lot rather than trying to get you off your hand. Also its 4BBs quite a big open when my steals are 2.25x at this stage.

    I assume he has a big hand. I can only see this being +$EV to make this play if I have been limp folding a lot and want to ballence my range or have been limp folding a lot (BAD) or he reships every open I make.

    Just bet / fold IMO, don't think it's such a good hand post flop you need to get value. His raise calling range is AK, JJ+ most likely or possibly AJs 99+ if he thinks you are bluffing (if I made this move it would likely be presumed I was FOS as I bluff a tonne) other players not so much though. As limp RRs are often huge hands though, not sure you have great equity there much more than K2o does.
    I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head here. He tanked for ages and made the call with AJo. So I was left wondering why I didn't didn't just raise-fold this average hand rather than taking such a big risk with it. I think if I'd given his raise a bit more respect I could have saved some money here. Normally the BB raising the SB who just completes means BB is holding not much more than ATC, but at this stage of the tourney and with the chip stacks involved he has probably tightened his raising range up a fair bit. I don't want to be too results oriented but I think I screwed this one up big time.

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    I did think you were OTB, sorry, ok this is close now. If he's good he'll just reship you 100% when you open here.

    I think an open shove is marginally cEV even at 20BBs deep BvB but it certainly isnt $EV so I think I might let him walk this one...

    Your play isn't bad but I think I'd need a read.
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    No specific reads. I've had poker tracker running since we got down to 2 tables and he was on the other table and he seems like a solid TAG at 22/20. He's +12% ROI over 76 $15 ABI tournaments over the last 120 days so he might be the wrong guy to get tricky with in retrospect. Slightly but if you were in his position would you say not raising unless you were prepared to stackoff to a shove would be the correct line?

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    I think I raise / fold a bit in his position, it would mainly depend on your image with this one, but I think in his position I fold AJ. Many many people hate bet folding though so maybe he had already decided he isn't bet / folding BvB with any geuine hand.

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