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Thread: AKs 4/180

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    Default AKs 4/180

    PokerStars No Limit Hold-em Tourney ($4.00+$0.40), Big Blind is t400 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from triple-t
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    saw flop|saw showdown

    Button (t5565)
    Hero (t15216)
    BB (t18039)
    UTG (t10792)
    UTG+1 (t12490)
    MP1 (t12857)
    MP2 (t11427)
    CO (t16545)
    Hero is SB with .
    Pre-Flop: (Pot=t400)
    UTG calls, UTG+1 raises to t1200, 3 folds, Button calls, Hero...?

    This is a 4/180, close to the bubble. Is this anything but a shove? UTG is just a limper something like 25/3 stats. UTG+1 is 29/19, button is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. 3800 in the pot when it gets to me.

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    bombs away

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    normally I'd raise to about 3.6k here, but with this many people in the pot, I'd prob go something 4.5k-5k. You are really trying to make it look like you're doing a squeeze play, but you want UTG+1 to come over the top because you're way ahead of his range and flipping with the rest (except AA and KK of course).

    IMO, you make it 4.5k and everybody folds with the possible exception of button...too much money in there for him to fold with his stack. I expect him to show up with 99-QQ and AT-AQ. I think if he KK+ or AK he'd come over the top to isolate. IF UTG+1 comes over the top with a 4bet shove, I fist-pump snap call and if he has KK+ it's a cooler and it happens. Keep in mind that while you don't mind fold arounds, you're trying to build a huge stack and sometimes you have to take chances...you're trying to induce people to shove over you because with a hand this strong, it's better to let them put their chips in instead of trying to force them to call all their chips. This gives you a top 3 stack and puts you in position to really punish people who are folding to one more step up...play to win.
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    make it 3.6k like trons said.
    who dares wins ;)

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    Alright, thanks.

    This was such a ridiculously frustrating tournament too. Same as the hand in RR came from. Had a chip lead from 10/20 up until that hand happened, and would've had a huge lead if my QQ held up there as a 60% to win.

    UTG+1 showed AA here to knock me down to 2500ish then a few hands later I shoved QJ from CO and he hit me with another pair of As from the BB. Not sure if I went out 19th or 20th.
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    It's frustrating when they show up with the goods, but those hands are coolers and shouldn't change the way you play them.

    4.40/180s are more like MTTs then regular SNGs because of the payout structure. You do not want to fold the money and not reach the FT. I'd rather go out 19th playing for the win then go out 18th because I folded a hand like AK (or played it weakly). Remember, it's all about Expected Value, not current value (PF). Playing to win shows a much bigger profit then playing for the money (unlike the smaller SnG's).
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    psr would be 6.2k, you've got 15k in your stack after posting the sb. i can't think of anything worse than making it 6k here and having both flat and whiffing so just jam pre.

    3.6k is ludicrous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by piv View Post
    psr would be 6.2k, you've got 15k in your stack after posting the sb. i can't think of anything worse than making it 6k here and having both flat and whiffing so just jam pre.

    3.6k is ludicrous.
    i agree

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    yeah, 3.6k is a little low with that many other people in the pot, which is why I suggested 4.5k-5k.
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    Flatting isn't too horrible but I shove.

    Making it 4.5 is not good, you brick 2/3 of the time, and when you hit you get 0 value from TT / JJ /99 /88 etc. Shove, hope he has AQ/AJ/AT/KQ etc and doesn't want to see them go.

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