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    Default AT in SB getting shortstacked

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 3+0.30 Tournament, 150/300 Blinds 25 Ante (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Hero (SB) (t3930)
    BB (t11655)
    UTG (t6215)
    UTG+1 (t10435)
    MP1 (t10325)
    MP2 (t9775)
    CO (t7031)
    Button (t6025)

    Hero's M: 6.05

    Preflop: Hero is SB with ,
    1 fold, UTG+1 calls t300, 1 fold, MP2 calls t300, CO calls t300, 1 fold, Hero bets t3905 (All-In), 2 folds, MP2 calls t3605, 1 fold

    Flop: (t8910) , , (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Turn: (t8910) (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: (t8910) (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: t8910

    Results:
    Hero had A, 10 (one pair, Jacks).
    MP2 had A, K (two pair, Kings and Jacks).
    Outcome: MP2 won t8910

    Is this a decent shove from me?

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    super standard

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    Super stupid that MP2 limped it in with AK too.

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    Limping in with AK at this stage is far from unheard of, but fortunately they likely play the same with A6s+.

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    At that stage AK limp is still aweful

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    It's awful but you get used to it from these 60/0 guys who's limping range is very similar to their calling a 13BB AI shove range. It's a KO tourney too so you also see the same sort of crap from players with KJ or JT who are trying to recover their buy-in in 50c increments.

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    It's really horrible, but it happens a lot. I think I have worked out the general logic behind it. AK is awesome so they don't want to just shove it and risk people folding. So they kinda slowplay it because they don't want to take a chance that they bet and miss.

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    ive got another logic behind it. MP2 is playing tight and knows if he pushes chances are everyone folds and he gets the blinds. (because he's been playing tight he wants to make the most of AK because people typically fold to his bets and raises etc.) if he pushes and gets called he's at best on a coinflip for a large portion of his stack. but because of his image his opponents wouldnt call him unless they have a big hand! instead he calls to see a flop, but if he hits the flop he's a huge favourite. if he calls its affordable because of his stack size.
    what he's probably doing is preserving his stack size while attempting to increase its size by playing cautiously. i would imagine he doesnt enjoy big decisions but when forced to will make them.
    he's probly the type of player who prefers to win hands due to his method of play if he can help it, rather than leave it to a coin flip (especially being his stack is not the weakes stack at the table but could be if he loses a large portion of it to a coin flip situation).
    his initial call with AK like he has done isn't necessarily wrong unless it is habitual or he has no gameplan/reason for doing so in this situation.
    of corse this is all based on the player having a tight appearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legologic View Post
    ive got another logic behind it. MP2 is playing tight and knows if he pushes chances are everyone folds and he gets the blinds. (because he's been playing tight he wants to make the most of AK because people typically fold to his bets and raises etc.) if he pushes and gets called he's at best on a coinflip for a large portion of his stack. but because of his image his opponents wouldnt call him unless they have a big hand! instead he calls to see a flop, but if he hits the flop he's a huge favourite. if he calls its affordable because of his stack size.
    what he's probably doing is preserving his stack size while attempting to increase its size by playing cautiously. i would imagine he doesnt enjoy big decisions but when forced to will make them.
    he's probly the type of player who prefers to win hands due to his method of play if he can help it, rather than leave it to a coin flip (especially being his stack is not the weakes stack at the table but could be if he loses a large portion of it to a coin flip situation).
    his initial call with AK like he has done isn't necessarily wrong unless it is habitual or he has no gameplan/reason for doing so in this situation.
    of corse this is all based on the player having a tight appearance.
    nah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legologic View Post
    ive got another logic behind it. MP2 is playing tight and knows if he pushes chances are everyone folds and he gets the blinds. (because he's been playing tight he wants to make the most of AK because people typically fold to his bets and raises etc.) if he pushes and gets called he's at best on a coinflip for a large portion of his stack. but because of his image his opponents wouldnt call him unless they have a big hand! instead he calls to see a flop, but if he hits the flop he's a huge favourite. if he calls its affordable because of his stack size.
    what he's probably doing is preserving his stack size while attempting to increase its size by playing cautiously. i would imagine he doesnt enjoy big decisions but when forced to will make them.
    he's probly the type of player who prefers to win hands due to his method of play if he can help it, rather than leave it to a coin flip (especially being his stack is not the weakes stack at the table but could be if he loses a large portion of it to a coin flip situation).
    his initial call with AK like he has done isn't necessarily wrong unless it is habitual or he has no gameplan/reason for doing so in this situation.
    of corse this is all based on the player having a tight appearance.
    If that was his plan then it worked perfectly but I wouldn't give him that much credit.

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