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  1. #1
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    Default should i have called the flop

    Full Tilt No Limit Hold-em Tourney ($3 + $0.30 Knockout), Big Blind is t80 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from triple-t
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    saw flop|saw showdown

    BB (t2982)
    Hero (t4620)
    UTG+1 (t1952)
    MP1 (t3385)
    MP2 (t1915)
    MP3 (t4300)
    CO (t90)
    Button (t2715)
    SB (t2820)
    Hero is UTG with .
    Pre-Flop:
    Hero calls, 5 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB checks.

    Flop: (Pot=t320) (4 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t160, Button raises to t400, SB folds, BB raises to t800, Hero folds, Button calls.

    Turn: (Pot=t2080) (2 players)
    BB bets t2102 All-In, Button calls All-In.

    River: (Pot=t5750) (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Spoiler
    BB has , Three of a Kind, Jacks
    Button has , Three of a Kind, Jacks
    BB wins t5750 from Main Pot.

  2. #2
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    No, because it looks like it's all going to go in either right now, or on the turn, so it's effectively more like a 2800 chip all-in you're calling. Assuming the button comes along the whole way too, you're getting better than 2-1 odds, which seems favorable, but not when you factor in the chances that you're drawing close to dead against a boat or a better flush draw. Also, it's almost guaranteed that two of your outs are no good, since they'll make a boat for someone. In particular, that Ac is bad news for you, as it means you're probably going broke to AJ.

    Now that I've said that, let me look at the results. Okay, you would have won, but I was right that you only had 7 valid flush outs. Also, any 8, 9, K or A on the river makes you lose. I'll go look up the exact odds for you: 22.15% to win after the flop. That's 3.5-1, and you'd be committing about 2700 to win 5750, which is only 2.1-1, so even if you knew the opponents had those exact cards, you'd be bad to call. Plus, you could easily have been drawing dead to a runner-runner straight flush.

    What about a best-case scenario, with you up against something like AA and KK, neither of which has a club? Then you have 29.24% odds, which is 2.4-1... still not enough.

    So, yeah. Don't chase flushes in big pots with a pair on board. If you'd called, they'd both be posting to bad beat forums right now, calling you a donk... and they'd be right.

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    Er... no. You have seven high.

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    preflop is really really bad. flop is played fine.

    try not to question your play just because the club hit and you would have won a big pot. that is called being "results oriented" and it's bad

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    Fold preflop

    As played, check fold flop. I hate pushing money in with a 7 high flush on a paired board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squeezyplayer View Post
    preflop is really really bad. flop is played fine.

    try not to question your play just because the club hit and you would have won a big pot. that is called being "results oriented" and it's bad
    QFT

    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzy_Fuzz View Post
    Fold preflop

    As played, check fold flop. I hate pushing money in with a 7 high flush draw on a paired board.
    FYP. He doesn't even have a made hand.

  7. #7
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    Never chase a paired flop
    That s my advice.
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    this is a STT?

    fold preflop.

    check/fold flop
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    Fold preflop, if you MUST play this hand preflop at least play it when your in position (on the button or co). As played fold flop
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    so like, 1.5 years ago i'm at the casino w/ a friend. were playing the $600 max 1/2 sicko game that i always play and cruuushh for mirrions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonchkid View Post
    this is a STT?

    fold preflop.

    check/fold flop
    $3.30 KO.

    Too many chips on the table for a STT anyway.

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