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  1. #1
    Chaser Kataklysmos's Avatar
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    Default Local live SnG/Tourny

    So a local bar does this freeroll tourny every week, monday and wednesday. Fun times, point system for top 10 finishers and then after about 15 weeks they do a top 75 tourny for cash and prizes.

    I went tonight and hit a hand that I tried to play well but the river killed me.

    9 players,
    Blinds 25/50, starting stacks 3000 (but i had roughly 27-2800 left)

    UTG folds
    UTG+1 folds
    Early/Middle folds
    Middle/Late bets 150
    Late folds
    Late-1 button calls 150
    Button calls 150
    Small Blind (ME) calls 150 with
    Big Blind RAISES 350, 500 total.

    Middle folds, Late-1 folds, Button calls, SB (me) calls

    Total pot: 1800

    Flop comes:

    SB (me) checks.
    Big Blind bets 800.
    Button calls 800.
    SB (me) check-raises to 1800. (this move left me about 500 in chips, I probably should of raised all in because making a move after with this amount of chips would of been hard pressed to push someone off)

    BB calls 1800. Button folds.

    Total pot: 6200

    Turn comes:

    SB (me) checks. (now he says if I hadn't of checked and went all in, he would of folded but I don't believe it. its free money and he had me covered)
    BB checks.

    River comes:

    SB checks.
    BB moves all-in, has me covered.

    I call like a dummy.

    I probably should of laid it down but I had put him on AK, KK, or QQ. He was an aggressive player and I thought that he was trying to get the pot with his pair. I think he didn't put me on an Ace or put me on a weaker Ace.

    Moral of the story, trap on the flop.. if they bet, get it while you can. If they don't.. bet it and get your value on the turn.

    I know it was just random bad luck for me to have him hit a 9% out on the river to make his straight, he had

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    1) If you're going to raise, make it a real raise. Your opponent's bet of 800 into a pot of 1800 is much too small to begin with, and your raise to 1800 afterwards is equally ridiculous. With his bet of 800, a reasonable raise for you would be to 3200 at least... you don't even have that much.

    2) If a raise is going to leave you with fewer than a half-pot worth of chips after your opponent's call, you are committing yourself by making it, and should just push.

    3) There's no way you can assume he has KQ or TT on the river, and I don't care what the board looks like anyway... with 6200 in the pot and 500 in your stack, you're calling with AJ even if the board is AKQJ9 with 3 of a suit. Hell, you're probably calling with K2o for 500 into a pot of 6200.

    So yes, you should have just pushed the flop, and if he draws out, that's poker.

    Anyway, given that it looks like amateur hour, your AJo is probably the nuts preflop. Flatting isn't bad, but against these guys, you're probably more +EV just to push it and watch KJo and A3s call you.
    Last edited by Xopods; 02-09-2009 at 07:55 PM.

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    pf is bad twice, just check/shove flop, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT FOLD THE RIVER

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    ya sure if you think the game is loosey goosey enough for you to get value from a shove pf then go for it, but playing AJo postflop from oop is a bad idea

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    Fold PF.

    Flop is stupid, just shove.

    You've established flop is stupid and you have less than 1/12 of a pot-sized bet left, why would you check?

    The idea of folding the river with 10BBs behind and top two pair is hilarious.

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