Pot odds......flop 2 pair.....

**4tun8** · 12-12-2008

UTG is weak loose as he limps early almost every hand, I think my read on him was correct.........if he has JQ here I'm obviously beat, but I think he's either open ended here or maybe Q with a good kicker.

BB is a loose weak player as well that will put a lot of money into a pot and then fold. I think she plays a lot of ace rags so obviously stay away from her if you don't have one and the flop does.

Anyway I think a lot of you will hate my completion here with J5s but I think there's a lot of implied odds when you flop a hand like this or a flush etc.

Tell me what you think

No Limit Holdem Tournament
$3.00 $0.40
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG GoBears927 (4935)
UTG 1 remster33 (3730)
CO holleywould (2540)
BTN JR 294 (3895)
SB Hero (3680)
BB lilo lil (4140)

Blinds: 100/200

Pre-flop: (300, 6 players) Hero is SB

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Hero says "and they're not in NY", GoBears927 calls 200, 3 folds, Hero calls 100, lilo lil checks

Flop:

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: (600, 3 players)
Hero bets 475, lilo lil folds, GoBears927 raises to 1,350, Hero says "welp if you have QJ I'm beat", Hero says "or a set", Hero goes all-in 3,480, GoBears927 calls 2,130, Hero says "GL"

Turn:

: (7,560, 2 players)

River:

: (7,560, 2 players)
Hero says "you win"

Final Pot: 7,560
GoBears927 shows:

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Hero shows:

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:

GoBears927 wins 7,560 ( won 3,880 )
lilo lil lost -200
Hero lost -3

**Steve Ruddock** · 12-13-2008

I'm not crazy about the complete, but it's not terrible if your read on BB as a passive player is correct.

As far as how the hand played out, I see nothing wrong; except for your table talk!

**triple-t** · 12-13-2008

I absolutely hate the PF completion. It might not be as bad as I think it is, but you don't have nearly the implied odds you need. The numbers I worked out are:
You have to stack him 1/2 the time you flop 2 pair or better
He has to stack you less than 5% of the time you flop 2 pair or better
You can only average losing 10 more chips all the times you flop 1 pair or draws.

That scenario makes a PF completion a break even play. I doubt he stacks off half the time you flop 2 pair+, so this is a losing play. Oh yeah, that's also ignoring BB.

Also, I don't know what kind of tournament this is (18 or 45 man), but you have 18 BBs left. This is never the time to be completing with J5s.

**4tun8** · 12-13-2008

He was literally limping UTG with any two.....27o, 45, 9Q........etc. This is why I play it like this, plus if I flop a big hand and he hits any part of it he does exactly this. IMO he did EXACTLY what I wanted him to do.........get it in way behind, unfortunately it just didn't work out.

This was a 27 man I think.........could have been 45 I don't remember.

**triple-t** · 12-13-2008

Originally Posted by 4tun8

He was literally limping UTG with any two.....27o, 45, 9Q........etc. This is why I play it like this, plus if I flop a big hand and he hits any part of it he does exactly this. IMO he did EXACTLY what I wanted him to do.........get it in way behind, unfortunately it just didn't work out.

This was a 27 man I think.........could have been 45 I don't remember.

This is the same logic donkeys use when playing any ace, and SOOTED cards.

**MJPerry** · 12-13-2008

PF is bad since stacks aren't deep.

**4tun8** · 12-13-2008

Originally Posted by MJPerry

PF is bad since stacks aren't deep.

Much better answer then Triple-T

**4tun8** · 12-13-2008

BTW Triple-T.........Harrington disagrees with you as well. This was a classic example of where to complete.

**MJPerry** · 12-14-2008

Harrington's a nit.

**4tun8** · 12-14-2008

Originally Posted by MJPerry

Harrington's a nit.

Then it's strange that I completed because his book told me to =)

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