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  1. #1
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    Same tournament as that AA on the final table...earlier hand (down to 2 tables).

    I have ~100k chips, and am 2nd in chips on the table.

    Blinds were 1000/2000 from what I recall, with a 200 ante.

    So, I'm BB w/ 92o

    4 limpers (incl. SB) pre-flop - I check (9 handed).

    Flop is 964 rainbow.

    SB checks,
    I bet 20k (I don't want to see another card)
    2 players folds, SB goes all-in with ~65k

    Been playing with SB for ~20 hands - seems like a typical solid tight/aggressive player who'd raised a few times pre-flop with solid hands.

    What'd ya do?

    Results (highlight to see):
    I called (figured TP was good)
    He showed T6o
    I won when he didn't hit...
    Last edited by Tokoki; 10-07-2008 at 09:52 AM. Reason: Added results

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    I had to reply here just to say "as opposed to TP preflop?"

    You really shouldn't have bet so much, it looks really weak plus costs too much when you do it with total air and stuff like this happens. On a flop that dry you can bet 7k which is nearly a third of what you did.

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    bet smaller, around 1/2 pot...as played against a TAG i fold top pair no kicker

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJPerry View Post
    I had to reply here just to say "as opposed to TP preflop?"
    Heh...true...!

    Now...with TP no kicker, with a buncha limpers in the pot pre-flop - wouldn't you want to make sure that you have as few as possible callers? If someone has 2 high cards and we're nearing the final table (of an 80+ players tournament)...

    I'm not putting anyone on a pocket pair here - now, that's always a possibility, but rather unlikely in this case IMO. So, assuming that the SB had same type of hands as I did...chances are he doesn't have a 9...and wouldn't you want to avoid getting a call and win the pot right then and there?

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    By raising to 7k you give overcards no odds to call while allowing you to get away from it if your beaten. Here you are beating nothing but the bluff. I would have incorectly layed this one down. From his PoV, you could have ATC, checking at BB. Its a risky bluff shove on a dry board IMO my biggest worry would be a better 9.

    Not sure if many people will agree with this but I think you, and possibly quite a few people have stopped viewing tournements as poker, pot odds etc and basic poker stratergy is just as valid in tourneys as cash. You cannot play optimaly while trying to "protect your hand" as such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 22Fish View Post
    Not sure if many people will agree with this but I think you, and possibly quite a few people have stopped viewing tournements as poker, pot odds etc and basic poker stratergy is just as valid in tourneys as cash. You cannot play optimaly while trying to "protect your hand" as such.
    Well, obviously some of the basic strategies (incl. calculating pot odds, etc) are (or should be, I should say) still involved in a tournament - but from my point of view, you have to play a tournament differently and protect your chips more so than at a ring game. Early tournament vs late tournament play is different...stack size also comes into account, etc
    Last edited by Tokoki; 10-08-2008 at 09:59 AM.

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    you didn't want to see another card.
    assuming your opponent was a solid player, he probably knew that, which is why that was a bad bet. It's also probably why he pushed over you, because he put your wild bet on a bluff.

    iono it depends on your opponents, overbets like this scream "i have nothing" to decent players.

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