£25 tournament, incredibly low standard of play. I was actually the best player on my table which says a lot.

It's 300/600 and UTG (pretty crappy, overrates hands like KJ and AT and doesn't seem to be aware of position) shoves for 3750. Folds to us on the button with 44. We've got about 28k.

There's no SB because he went out the hand previous after running his TPTK into the now BB's straight. BB has 15k and is a decent, but passive player.

I'm thinking UTG has something like AXs, A9o+, any combination of a K, Q or J and 77+ against which we're basically a coinflip. The only thing I'm not happy about is not closing the action.

Am I right that calling is absolutely horrible and it's basically iso-raise v fold?

NB: If it helps our image is tight (but no one is paying attention) but we've recently shown down 67s when stealing the blinds. BB called then 3-bet bluffed AI with no pair no draw on a 458 flop. That's why I'm on 28k and not 15k.

Originally Posted by 22Fish

If you really want his chips then raise, calling is weak and may let the BB shove over with a wide range.

This. IMO it's raise>fold>>>>>>>>>>call or fold>raise>>>>>>>>>>call like I said.

Alright, same scenario but with 55? 66? 77? AJ?

Originally Posted by classickred

what's the potsize - you didn't mention any antes(?)

UTG shoves 3750.
BB is 600, no SB this hand.

Therefore, 4350. There's a good reason I didn't mention antes...

So yeah, I'm getting fuckall-to-one odds but I think I'm a flip or even slight favourite against UTG's range, just didn't like the player in the BB being there.

Originally Posted by classickred

I wasn't assuming there were antes, I was asking. There's a good reason I put a question mark in my post..

I'd fold in that spot. People show up with total crap shoving UTG but you have to be about a coinflip anyways, and you're not getting the correct pot odds

Touché, salesman.

If we figure to be 50-50 against his range we're getting better than the right pot odds.

Anyway in the actual hand I folded, BB called with KQs and the original raiser had ATo. Board ran out 32956 - ghey.

wtf iso raise this shit