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Old 02-28-2008, 02:33 PM
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Well I was in a 10table tournament blinds were at 100 and was dealt pocket Qs. I raise to 400 and got one caller. Flop comes T 8 2 rainbow. Having about 1400 chips left, I bet about 500 (little more than half the pot) and got called. On the turn which was a 4 I bet 400 and got raised to all in (about 500 more). I thought about it and called and the guy and he showed pocket Ts. River came a Q and I won the hand but I still got the feeling where i've been a fish and played it badly. Did I make a bad call there? Opinions on the play in general? Would you guys fold the reraise?

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Old 02-28-2008, 03:28 PM
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When you call and the pot moves over to him.
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Old 02-28-2008, 03:32 PM
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In a single table tournament when you raise to 400 (out of an 1800 chip stack) you should almost always stack off with an overpair, only very extreme situations might you consider folding such as if you have and the board is


In fact, the same goes for MTT's as well imo
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Old 02-28-2008, 04:03 PM
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I'm a relative poker novice, but here's my thoughts...

I find that this type of hand happens a lot. When your stack (and your opponents) is below 20 big blinds it's not uncommon to see all-in hands with just top pair or an overpair. The experts say don't go broke with 1 pair, but in low "M" (ratio of stack to blinds) scenarios there is often no choice.

You make a good sized raise pre-flop, a good sized bet after the flop, and by that stage you have half your stack in the pot. What are you going to do on the turn? not bet an overpair? your opponent's most likely holdings are AT, JJ, TT or 88. The clear favourite in my mind would be AT. If he has TT or 88 then he will probably bet if you check the turn anyway. And you will have to call. You can't exercize pot control here. There is almost 2000 chips in the pot when the turn comes. If you check and he bets 400 chips are you going to fold, given 6 to 1 pot odds?. And if you then check the river (assuming it came a blank) and he puts you all in for 500, you are given pot odds of almost 7 to 1. Again, insta-call. Folding at any stage would be weak. Trying to slow down will not save you money if you are beat, it will only win you less money if you are ahead. So push the hand and cross your fingers. If you run into trips, it wasn't your day.
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Old 03-13-2008, 08:28 AM
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You can check / call the turn, or push all in yourself. Your $400 turn bet was too weak, and is yelling what you have - a pair.
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Old 03-13-2008, 10:40 AM
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when you raised preflop got called, bet post flop got called, bet turn got raised - did you think you would still be ahead? you have shown strength throughout, isnt it a bit reckless on his behalf to try and push you off an apparent overpair. im thinking he's either a monkey who is set to lose chips, or he has you beat (the more likely choice).
if hes a monkey you should know because you have been watching his play previous to this after all, if he is solid you should know because you have been watching his play previous to this after all. So use your 'data collected knowledge' to make a laydown!
if you havent been watching him and know nothing about him, the choice is your's as to what you do.
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its unbelievable the way some people on this forum play
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