...hadn't realized the hand converter didn't show what hand's he showed on the first 2: 1st. showed A4 (two pair 4-2) 2nd. showed 9-10 two pair again.

I have a question about the second hand, about impliedd odds. I tought he had hit , maybe top pair and that if i hit the 8 could double up. he actually had top 2 pair.... anyway the more I think about I ask myself why he didn't fold on the turn when I check-raised all in, I guess against a good player I can't make a call on "implied odds"

man, this thread got me wanting to play some $4 180s, are they all like this?

I've made 2 final tables in a row on this tournaments and usually they aren't this bad, I mean when we were 3 handed and I'm the short stack and the 2 big stacks go all in preflop with QT off and A3 suit. I guess all the good players were busted at the FT.

edit: and I forgot, welcome to the site

Thanks man, I really want improve my game before moving to higher buy-ins, I hope to learn a lot in this forum.

Originally Posted by mh2890

...hadn't realized the hand converter didn't show what hand's he showed on the first 2: 1st. showed A4 (two pair 4-2) 2nd. showed 9-10 two pair again.

It doesn't really matter what he had because my analysis isn't based on what he had but what he could have. You obviously didn't know what he had until showdown so I wanted to demonstrate a thought process I would have used during the hand.

Taking into account what he had at showdown into whether or not your play was good is called being results oriented, and you'll learn more and more that it'll ruin your analysis of the hand after the fact. For instance, say you have 72 off suit and called a push all in. Opponent shows AA, but the flop comes 772 and you win, does the fact that you won make your preflop call correct? Of course not.

Originally Posted by mh2890

I have a question about the second hand, about impliedd odds. I tought he had hit , maybe top pair and that if i hit the 8 could double up. he actually had top 2 pair.... anyway the more I think about I ask myself why he didn't fold on the turn when I check-raised all in, I guess against a good player I can't make a call on "implied odds"

You can take implied odds into account but I doubt they're seriously enough to compensate for calling with a gutshot. Break-even pot odds with a gutshot straight are 10.5:1, your call was 2.6:1 (if I remember). I don't know how solid your opponent was (he looked pretty terrible), but most people wouldn't stack off when you hit that card. Keep in mind it was a limped pot and your straight was made using only one of your hole cards. To him, a four-straight is on the board and it only takes one seven to have that straight. He has no indication that you don't have a seven other than making that bad call on the flop.

Maybe I'm ranting, point is, I think you're seriously overvaluing your implied odds there

Originally Posted by mh2890

I've made 2 final tables in a row on this tournaments and usually they aren't this bad, I mean when we were 3 handed and I'm the short stack and the 2 big stacks go all in preflop with QT off and A3 suit. I guess all the good players were busted at the FT.

that doesn't tell me much really, I'd certainly have no trouble shoving A3s at a three handed table depending on the players and dynamic

Originally Posted by mh2890

Thanks man, I really want improve my game before moving to higher buy-ins, I hope to learn a lot in this forum.

You will. Hopefully I've helped, I'm certainly a far cry from the better tournament players here so you'll get plenty of better advice down the road as well. Post plenty of hands and once you get comfortable, post your analysis of other's hands frequently as well, hopefully it opens discussions between others and we can all learn something.