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  1. #1
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    Default Good fold ? Outplayed ?

    PokerStars No Limit Hold-em Tourney ($4.00+$0.40), Big Blind is t400 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from triple-t
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    saw flop|saw showdown

    MP2 (t8800)
    MP3 (t10035)
    CO (t4754)
    Button (t6845)
    SB (t16588)
    BB (t7415)
    Hero (t13283)
    UTG+1 (t9610)
    MP1 (t22641)
    Hero is UTG with .
    Pre-Flop: (Pot=t225)
    Hero raises to t1200, 1 folds, MP1 raises to t2400, 6 folds, Hero calls.

    Flop: (Pot=t5625) (2 players)
    Hero bets t2000, MP1 raises to t20216 All-In, Hero folds.

    Results in white below:
    No Showdown. MP1 wins t5625


    What I know about him... He plays his weak hands cautiously. That is about all.

    Now, approchoching the bubble, I have a big stack, but he has a huge stack. He saw me steal blinds here and there, but not crazy. Normal pace. I have a tight image at the table. He reraised fast preflop, and reraised all in so fast too. Something unusual of him.

    Let's see his holdings :

    AK : Maybe. Played big stack perfectly. Had 6 outs in case I call.
    AKsuited heart : again maybe. Good move from him also having plenty of outs
    Pocket 3's, 9's, 5's : Doubtfull. I don't think a reraise preflop with these hands was in his playing style. But you can never be sure...
    Pocket 4's, 6's, 7's, 8's : I don't think it was a good move to risk all these chips (half of stack) with hands like that unless he bullied me because of the circumstances (I'm out if i make a bad call, he still got plenty of chips if he loses, near bubble so I have to be kinda cautious)
    AA, KK : If no hearts, ok move. If heart, I think we would of reraised or wanted to sucker me in for more money.

    My conclusion that made me fold : he must of had some kind of strong hand, but a vulnerable one. Since my raise was UTG, he had to respect it, from the tight player I was. So I think he had QQ, JJ, or maybe 10-10 also. Most probably QQ-JJ... And that's why I folded.

    I finished in the money, but fucking 18th to a bad beat. Go see river rats
    Last edited by mister.x; 12-29-2007 at 09:15 AM.

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    There is no way I'm calling a re-raise preflop with 10 10 only to fold on a 9-high flop.

    I personally would have shoved preflop. Play to win, right?

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    My bad, double post.

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    I don't like your flop lead, it is far too small.

    It's been so long since I've played tournaments that I don't even know if I like a flop lead, your hand looks so weak!

    PF, do you mix it up and occasionally limp this UTG? I wouldn't recommend always raising it.
    Quote Originally Posted by WotaWaster View Post
    LOL. David "Double Barell" ab157 says check. Check it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooted? View Post

    I personally would have shoved preflop. Play to win, right?
    This is suicide given our chip stack
    Quote Originally Posted by WotaWaster View Post
    LOL. David "Double Barell" ab157 says check. Check it is.
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    Brag: I cashed out $25k into a $ based bank account and have been to lazy to change it into £'s and earned hundreds of pounds through my laziness.

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    You had a read, he plays his weak cautiously and pf and flop play is not cautious, fold it.

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    his min-reraise pf screams big pair. good fold.

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    Is anyone check/folding this flop? I really see the villain holding an overpair here and the flop didn't do anything for us. I think we have to assume the villain is going to stay aggressive and raise any bet of ours on the flop. We know going in we are not going to call a push, so a bet doesn't do us much good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Announced Tilt View Post
    Is anyone check/folding this flop?
    Yes definitely!
    Quote Originally Posted by WotaWaster View Post
    LOL. David "Double Barell" ab157 says check. Check it is.
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    a case can be made for folding to his min-reraise preflop. what is he trying to accomplish with it? he isn't trying to isolate against you with so many to act after him, he isn't trying to see a cheap flop with a smooth call of the raise. as i said above it screams big pair. calling his raise leaves you in exactly this awkward spot-- you don't know where you are even though the flop seems perfect for your pair.

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