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About LinkBacksaround the bubble of 180 man. i usually fold after his push to conserve chips and get in the money, but i always hear "oh, ya gotta play to win" which to me is just suicide.
Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t300/t600
(Ante: t50)
8 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
Hero: t14419
UTG+1: t10380
MP1: t12936
MP2: t5030
CO: t35419
Button: t2484
SB: t5475
BB: t7149
Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is UTG with
Hero raises to t1800, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t1800 (pot was t3100), 3 folds, SB raises all-in t5425, BB folds, Hero raises all-in t14369, MP1 calls all-in t11086.
Uncalled bets: t1483 returned to Hero.
Flop:
(t7625, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: t17275, Sidepot 1: t10097)
Turn:(t7625, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: t17275, Sidepot 1: t10097)
River:(t7625, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: t17275, Sidepot 1: t10097)
Results:
Final pot: t7625
SB showed Qc As
Hero showed 8d 8s
MP1 showed Qd Qh
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11-09-2007 #1Stu Ungar
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play to win strategy?
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11-09-2007 #2Staff News Poster
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Well I woulda folded to his push.
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11-09-2007 #3Mike McDermott
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Well I know he had you beat
Originally Posted by sk8freak_21
around the bubble of 180 man. i usually fold after his push to conserve chips and get in the money, but i always hear "oh, ya gotta play to win" which to me is just suicide.
Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t300/t600
(Ante: t50)
8 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
Hero: t14419
UTG+1: t10380
MP1: t12936
MP2: t5030
CO: t35419
Button: t2484
SB: t5475
BB: t7149
Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is UTG with
Hero raises to t1800, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t1800 (pot was t3100), 3 folds, SB raises all-in t5425, BB folds, Hero raises all-in t14369, MP1 calls all-in t11086.
Uncalled bets: t1483 returned to Hero.
You're UTG right? I would fold this.idkmybffjill?
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11-09-2007 #4Stu Ungar
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well, i know he had me beat after he called my isolation push....Bag, you have just open folded preflop at this level?
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11-09-2007 #5Staff News Poster
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Personally I would limp then fold to the shove.
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11-09-2007 #6Mike McDermott
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yes Originally Posted by sk8freak_21
idkmybffjill?
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11-09-2007 #7Poker Professional
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same. 8's are played for set value. You're essentially all in preflop with three hands - what are you expecting to be up against? Likely, two coin flip hands or you could possibly be dominated. Originally Posted by MJPerry
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11-09-2007 #8Banned
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IMHO, the "play to win" mantra is usually an excuse to push with marginal odds.
Ahhhhh, position, position, position... You did demonstrate why position affects in such a chain of events.
Even this late in the tourney and a table of eight, you are in shitty position with a mid pair. This was a 3x probe/fold situation with all the Ax push possibilities behind you.
Once the SB raises allin to 5K:
A.) You know "at best" you have to win a race situation (pretty unacceptable when you still have the most chips at this table).
B.) You are in a sandwich with someone who called your 3x raise and he is closest to your chipstack.
The choice you made was really not a viable option. You can call or fold.
If you fold you still have 20BB and approaching better position (best option).
If you call and MP1 pushes, you still have 15BB and approaching better position (ok option).
If you call and MP1 folds, you are the luckiest player on earth
If you call and MP1 calls, you get to see the flop. Of course this sucks because you are out of position. In addition, because of the texture of this flop, it would have probably lead to the same conclusion as your allin push.
Live and learn.
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11-12-2007 #9Poker Professional
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its called an isolation raise, we just happened to have gotten unlucky in this spot. and even if we didnt raise im still willing to take a coinflip situation for 4k more. Originally Posted by MJPerry
and on a side note, i was railing this tourney, and the isolation shove in this spot was optimal, that was a very very tight FT, and Sk8 maintained a very TAG image for the 20-30 mins he was there. i agree with the position and it was most certainly overlooked (on my part which i feel stupid for now)
but this shove looks very strange to someone who wasnt railing this FT
and on another side note MP1 is a donk for limping that with everyone to act behind, it was a bad position to Isolation Raise but what ranges is Mp1 calling with here? most certainly not putting him on AA/KK/QQ/AKs/AKos. Is ignorance led to a massive payoff and we got in an unlucky spot.
my opinion on this hand is rather biased because i AM in favor for the play to win strategy in MTTs.Last edited by trippedupA-Town; 11-12-2007 at 12:36 AM.
AsuitedKing: justify the call
EhRa: he hits his set und waited that i hitz something and he dindt play he only goes allin
EhRa: tahts a big donk ... so ****
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