This was a live game but it keeps me amused and makes it easier for you to read if I post it like a HH. All chip stacks/bet sizes approximate.

NL Texas Hold 'em, 18-man tourney, £5 buy-in
9 players remain
Blinds 100/200 Ante 25
SB- Mike (t15000) - Seems to be a good player. Haven't seen him show a bluff and last time we played he folded QQ preflop when I had AA and reraised his miniraise.
BB (t5000)
UTG- Sean (t7500) - Typical LAG donk. Overrates Aces and sooooted cards.
UTG+1 (t2500)
MP1 (t7500)
MP2 (t2500)
MP3- Mohammed (t10000) - Weak-tight, easily bluffed
MP4 (t15000)
CO (t5000)
Button- Me (t20,000) - Been all over the tourney mostly because I've had an awesome run of cards. Not that anyone is paying attention but I've not been caught bluffing, been playing supertight and haven't attempted a blind steal yet.

Pre-flop
Mike posts the small blind (100)
BB posts the big blind (200)
Table antes (250)
Dealt to MJPerry:
Sean raises (200) to 400, 3 folds, Mohammed raises (1100) to 1500, 2 folds, MJPerry raises (4500) to 6000, Mike raises (9000) to 15875 and is all in, Sean calls 7075 and is all in, 1 fold, MJPerry is about to insta-call but then figures a re-re-re-raise from a guy who folded QQ to a 3bet last session would only make this play with KK or AA, and likely doesn't have KK considering half the Kings are in my hand so he folds whilst crying on the inside waiting for Mike to turn over 99.

Flop (t22350)


Turn (t22350)


River (t22350)


Final Pot: (t22350)

I'm usually against folding KK PF in general because there's no way the other dude has AA often enough to make it profitable, especially in a game where people happily push with QJs, but I thought against this guy who's folded QQ there's no way he's 5-betting all-in with anything less than AA.

No, he's 5-betting. It's a good fold only if you know he's only making that play with AA. Otherwise, it's an instacall.

You are actually pretty deep here for a live £5 donkament - my hat off to the organiser.
The main issue for me here is that you have to put under 10,000 chips into a 30,000 pot to play the hand to conclusion. Getting 3-1 you have got to be literally 100% certain he has AA and its only a marginally -EV call if he shows AA - this is working on the assumption that you need to hit a K to beat the guy with AA, and if you do so you will almost never lose the side pot to a likely Ax/other pair which is Seans most likely holding.

We also will be left with 25BB if we do lose which is still a reasonable amount of play. If you are Sean/Mohammed I can see folding but with 6k in the middle already and getting 3-1 I don't think folding is worth considering tbh.

Originally Posted by WotaWaster

You are actually pretty deep here for a live £5 donkament - my hat off to the organiser.

That's me. I started everyone out with t5000 and 25/50 blinds. I like big stacks. I'm thinking of making it 2500 or 3000 though because everyone minibets and miniraises so it takes ages.

Originally Posted by WotaWaster

The main issue for me here is that you have to put under 10,000 chips into a 30,000 pot to play the hand to conclusion. Getting 3-1 you have got to be literally 100% certain he has AA and its only a marginally -EV call if he shows AA - this is working on the assumption that you need to hit a K to beat the guy with AA, and if you do so you will almost never lose the side pot to a likely Ax/other pair which is Seans most likely holding.

We also will be left with 25BB if we do lose which is still a reasonable amount of play. If you are Sean/Mohammed I can see folding but with 6k in the middle already and getting 3-1 I don't think folding is worth considering tbh.

I lose at odds and thinking logically. I was literally 100% he had AA though solely based on his fold with QQ before. If a guy folds QQ to a reraise he's not shoving a big stack with <KK in a pot where three people have shown strength.

So did he have the AA?

Originally Posted by triple-t

So did he have the AA?

Yeah, sucks for him though 'cos he had the and the other guy had JJ.

And piv, that's brilliant.

I folded KK once in a SnG PF and I can't believe I did it. One of the most disgusting mistakes I've ever made PF.

Fuck folding it, I don't think I ever will again unless I'm mega deep at a cash table and the guy is like 4/2/1.

Based on your read of the sb, I think folding is ok if you are 100&#37; sure he has aces.

If there was ANY doubt though, it's an insta-call given you are still in ok shape even if you lose and the potential uber stack you'd have if you took him out.

I've never folded kings pf, and I don't plan on doing it anytime soon.

Yeah it's not something I'm ever going to make a habit of. Even if I played eight hours a day for the next thirty years I doubt I'd ever do it again.