yes (assuming you are talking about the flop call)

Originally Posted by triple-t

yes (assuming you are talking about the flop call)

Yes flop call (the bet of 240).

So you saying he had pot odds to do so (correct formula please then). Because I assume he folds if he does not hit a king or an ace on the turn. 240 into a 485 pot + his 240 etc etc ?


Technically he has 6 outs if he puts me on underpair and I don't have an over pair or a set already, which his read was correct. And he technically wants to see the turn and river card as well.

So my question is, was he "chasing" knowing he needs to see both the turn and river, needing to pair his pocket cards ?

yes he was chasing, he was not given the odds to try and catch an ace or king on the turn.

He does not have odds to chase if he KNEW you had 99. However, with that flop, it misses a bunch of hands that you PF raise with and he could be ahead at this point in the hand. That's why he can float this flop.

Also, raise more PF. 3xBB + Limpers would be a raise to 150, though I like 180 to 200 here.

Originally Posted by mister.x

Yes flop call (the bet of 240).

So you saying he had pot odds to do so (correct formula please then). Because I assume he folds if he does not hit a king or an ace on the turn. 240 into a 485 pot + his 240 etc etc ?


Technically he has 6 outs if he puts me on underpair and I don't have an over pair or a set already, which his read was correct. And he technically wants to see the turn and river card as well.

So my question is, was he "chasing" knowing he needs to see both the turn and river, needing to pair his pocket cards ?

First you ASSUME he knows that you have a pocket pair. Have you shown down a C-bet hand yet? Could he possible be putting you on a smaller two overs?

I don't know your chip stacks, but it possible he is floating you the flop on implied odds. Knowing that if he does pair his A or K, he can take a good portion of your chips.

While he is not getting the correct pot odds to call, you have to factor in reads, implied odds, and the possibilty he is looking to make a move at the pot on the turns.

Also remember not everyone plays just pot odds.

Ok the situation was very early in the tourney, we had similar chip stacks about 1400-1600 each.

Nobody had an extensive read on me or the other guy. Maybe 10 hands were played before this one. I played one other hand before that, I raised preflop, same amount, late position with KJ, one caller. Flop came KJ9, I bet 3/4 pot, folded, and I won the pot. But, I should just mention, most people really dont give a shit about noticing if player makes Cbet...

I just wanted to know if a 240 bet, into that pot on the flop, with my hand was the correct move. Because he did show AK (offsuit, but it don't matter).

I also wanted to know if having AK like he did, was a correct call (obvisouly not) but I have such a bad run right now that sometimes, these play makes me question wtf am I doing wrong...

Did I did something wrong here ? I assume I should of raised more preflop ok, but I assume a 150 raise instead of 120, the guy would of called + a 280 bet instead of 240 he would of called also don't you think ?

I think you should bet more on the flop, the pot is about 500 I think, I bet 350. As played I bet the turn as well for 2/3 pot, it's a nice card to fire on.

I don't really like his call with AK.

Many players will float a continuation-sized bet on a ragged board with AK. As I mentioned earlier, he couldn't have known you had a pocket pair. You could easily have had AQ, AJ, AT, KQ, KJ, and about 100 other non-pair hands as well. I ran a Pokerstove simulation where I gave him AKo and gave you any pair, any broadway, and SC 65+. AKo was a favorite in this simulation. Though we know in reality he's a 3 to 1 dog.

Increasing the preflop raise probably wouldn't have changed the outcome of the hand, but we also don't want to be results-oriented.

On your question of the sizing of the flop bet, on that flop, I'm betting out a bit bigger. I'm probably winning right now, but there are too many turn cards that make us second-best (A,K,Q,J,T, board pairing, etc.) Players holding big cards will often float a 1/2 pot bet.