and for real rarity value, its even FR

A real simple one(imo) but would be nice to hear another opinion on what i should do...also one that i have had habit of donking up in the recent past


Villain appears to be standard FR TAG after approx 80 hands - 22/15/2.3
This was only time that it was folded round to the two of us.

So far, Im playing like a complete nit(hence the FR-Will Hills 5 hour bonus does that to me) - 12/10/2

Standard pf reraise by me?

Standard flop bet by me?

Turn and me does what?


Cryptologic Network 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
7 folds, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) , , (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Turn: (4 BB) (2 players)
SB checks, [color=#CC3333] Hero does wha'?

Fire one more bullet and get a free showdown on the river. Fold to a turn c/raise.

I honestly hate sb/bb battles. I think most of my losses come from these damn spots.

The reason you 3bet a small pocket pair HU preflop is so you have odds to showdown (Someone far better than me's words). I don't think you fold out many worse hands (maybe a 9 or 66/77 but alot of 9's have 2 pairs) so probably check turn and call river is correct. I would fold however because I am a nit.

Ok I'm even worse at limit than I am at tourneys (true story), but nevermind.

If we check the turn, why on earth would we call a river bet (unless we trip up)? Are we seriously ever good or is it just we would have enormous pot odds? Does checking the turn and calling the river not just bleed away money?

Would it not be better to either bet the turn and give up to any resistance or check the turn and fold to any bets later on?

Ok, you bet the turn because SB (in this situation) is likely to raise with any two cards as a blind steal (especially if you've been playing tight). When you raise him PF, he won't put you on a hand either, he will think you are on a resteal.

The Flop, this mentalitly continues (which is why he'll call with any two to your flop raise because he "knows" you didn't connect either and he may have high card strength or pair up which is good enough to win HU).

The turn is usually where these guys fold. If you bet the turn, there is fold equity there. If he actually has a hand, he probably still thinks your bluffing and will just call/check the river giving you a chance to fire again. That's why in these situations the turn bet is profitable.

The Turn is also a scare card, but it almost has to be for him too. Unless he's holding a Q. HU blind battles (imho) are more about nerves then anything else.

I agree that you should fire a bet on the turn and fold to a check raise. If the river comes a brick lower then 5's and he bets out, i still think you may want to call...he may have just paired up. However, one thing to keep in mind is that you'll only have 7:1 to call a river bet from him...not enough to calll based on pure odds that he may be bluffing...(same thing with a check raise). If you don't have a read, you may want to fold because you're probably beat.

IF the SB isn't the type to go for a steal, then I think you should Check/fold, but I'm assuming if that was the case, you wouldn't have played the flop the way you did.

i honestly forgot how detailed ur analysis of any given situation was Trons

ive been noticing that ive been doing a lot of checking turn, calling river in this kind of situation in the past and i honestly think this is the complete wrong way to go about it.

by checking the turn, im giving him the opportunity to both hit a free card on river AND probably more importantly here, giving him the opportunity to make a river bet that i cant call, thereby folding what is prob the best hand.

due to my image at the table at the time, i didnt think he was going to c/r me on flop unless he actually hit it in some way - Kx, Jx, 9x, flush draw.
if he raised me, i was folding as even tho i may have had the best hand on the flop, i was going to have to face a turn bet that again, i couldnt call.

him calling the flop is standard as he "knows" i have nothing and im always gonna bet it anyway no matter what comes out.

betting the turn and then either folding to c/r or checking behind on river was the plan from the off.

i wasnt worried about him betting the river if he called my turn bet as, again due to my nittiness up to this, i dont think he was only calling on flop and turn with a real made hand / big draw which he could logically then bet on river.


this is the kind of hand where ive been making my crying calls in recent times where ive been checking the turn and then calling his river bet and not knowing where im at in a little pot.....more often than not, ive been ahead but im not giving him the chance to fold by checking the turn and i end up not having a clue where im at and only calling cos "hes not bluffing me out now".

and obv, sb/bb battles suck donkey balls.

You see why I left this Godforsaken site. I said what Trons said, only I showed a great economy for words...........and I get zero props.

Dee, you are def playing these hands backwards. You are allowing villain to check his weaker hands and bet his stronger ones on the river. Reverse your play in these spots.

Originally Posted by Antneye

I said what Trons said, only I showed a great economy for words...........and I get zero props

Kid stopped charging per word a little while after u left