I have just taken a pretty bad beat, leaving me with 10x the BB.

I am on the BB and pick up 86s.

It is folded to the button who raises 3x the BB.

I shove all in.

Was this play wrong or was it correct?

I know that when you get really short you need to start pushing in order to double up before your stack gets so low that a double up wouldn't help much, but is 10x low enough that I should consider shoving with suited connectors?

Keep in mind that my opponent was quite loose and aggressive.

Best to post a formatted HH. We need to know the blinds and stack sizes of all players, or at the very least you+him.

Yeah, I sometimes find it difficult to remember to keep the HH. I'll try to remember next time.

But, if I remember correctly, the blinds were 25/50.

I had 550 in chips, and my opponent had about 1750.

OK. It's a good move if the button is a very aggressive player who can lay down a hand. Against an unknown, I prolly fold.

Thanks for the replies.

To Waster:

What I was really wondering was at which point should I start shoving with hands like suited connectors. Keep in mind that this was an online sng, and the levels were increasing every 10 minutes. I believe there was only about 2-3 minutes left until the blinds went up to 50/100, leaving me with about 5x the BB.

I know that he'd probably have to call, but does this really seem like a bad spot to push? He was on the button, after all, and there seemed to be a good chance that he was trying to steal as he was a very loose and aggressive player.

Originally Posted by WotaWaster

That doesn't seem great to me.

A guy has made it 150 and your all in to 550 is asking him to put 400 into a pot of 675. If he calls and loses he will still be left with 1250 (25bb). Seems he can call with a pretty wide range here.

If we're tight than he's making a mistake by calling. If he has, say, Q3 offsuit, his equity is at best 25% against our range. Besides Q3 is almost a coinflip against 86 suited. So if we know he's very loose-aggressive pushing is a good play if we have a tight image. That's of course assuming he's good enough to pay attention, and to know when to fold.

I should have had a tight image. The entire table was playing very maniacally, two of them having never folded A SINGLE HAND preflop (and were remarkably the big stacks). I only played about 12% of the hands due to having the average preflop raise be like 5-10x the BB (no exaggeration).

Of course, the guy who had been calling all ins with stuff like 74o and J7s (no joke) woke up with KK.

Originally Posted by J29622

I know that he'd probably have to call, but does this really seem like a bad spot to push? He was on the button, after all, and there seemed to be a good chance that he was trying to steal as he was a very loose and aggressive player.

In push/fold situations it is all about first in vigorish. You don't have this here. It's a fine hand to open shove from LP when you're short but coming over the top when you're likely to get called, I don't like. The blinds have just gone past you so you will hopefully get a chance before it gets back to you to get your chips in first.

I would agree with Jharding666. Think in this way. You want to double up. Stealing blinds might not happen as you are short stack. I would wait for a premium hand and shove it and have a greater chance to double up than any suited connectors. I rarely call a 3X BB raise with suited connectors, depending on the other person's stack size and mine etc etc.. Even if the blinds raise quickly they are working in you favour as you want a loose call with your monster hand and double or may be triple up.

I would say fold.