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07-09-2007, 02:28 AM
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Chaser
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Did I play this correctly?
I have just taken a pretty bad beat, leaving me with 10x the BB.
I am on the BB and pick up 86s.
It is folded to the button who raises 3x the BB.
I shove all in.
Was this play wrong or was it correct?
I know that when you get really short you need to start pushing in order to double up before your stack gets so low that a double up wouldn't help much, but is 10x low enough that I should consider shoving with suited connectors?
Keep in mind that my opponent was quite loose and aggressive.
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07-09-2007, 04:44 AM
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Stu Ungar
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Best to post a formatted HH. We need to know the blinds and stack sizes of all players, or at the very least you+him.
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07-09-2007, 10:12 AM
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Chaser
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Yeah, I sometimes find it difficult to remember to keep the HH. I'll try to remember next time.
But, if I remember correctly, the blinds were 25/50.
I had 550 in chips, and my opponent had about 1750.
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07-09-2007, 10:18 AM
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Stu Ungar
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OK. It's a good move if the button is a very aggressive player who can lay down a hand. Against an unknown, I prolly fold.
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07-09-2007, 10:48 AM
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Mike McDermott
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That doesn't seem great to me.
A guy has made it 150 and your all in to 550 is asking him to put 400 into a pot of 675. If he calls and loses he will still be left with 1250 (25bb). Seems he can call with a pretty wide range here.
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07-09-2007, 10:57 AM
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Chaser
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Thanks for the replies.
To Waster:
What I was really wondering was at which point should I start shoving with hands like suited connectors. Keep in mind that this was an online sng, and the levels were increasing every 10 minutes. I believe there was only about 2-3 minutes left until the blinds went up to 50/100, leaving me with about 5x the BB.
I know that he'd probably have to call, but does this really seem like a bad spot to push? He was on the button, after all, and there seemed to be a good chance that he was trying to steal as he was a very loose and aggressive player.
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07-09-2007, 11:20 AM
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Stu Ungar
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WotaWaster
That doesn't seem great to me.
A guy has made it 150 and your all in to 550 is asking him to put 400 into a pot of 675. If he calls and loses he will still be left with 1250 (25bb). Seems he can call with a pretty wide range here.
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If we're tight than he's making a mistake by calling. If he has, say, Q3 offsuit, his equity is at best 25% against our range. Besides Q3 is almost a coinflip against 86 suited. So if we know he's very loose-aggressive pushing is a good play if we have a tight image. That's of course assuming he's good enough to pay attention, and to know when to fold.
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07-09-2007, 11:24 AM
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Chaser
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I should have had a tight image. The entire table was playing very maniacally, two of them having never folded A SINGLE HAND preflop (and were remarkably the big stacks). I only played about 12% of the hands due to having the average preflop raise be like 5-10x the BB (no exaggeration).
Of course, the guy who had been calling all ins with stuff like 74o and J7s (no joke) woke up with KK.
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07-09-2007, 12:34 PM
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Mike McDermott
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Quote:
Originally Posted by J29622
I know that he'd probably have to call, but does this really seem like a bad spot to push? He was on the button, after all, and there seemed to be a good chance that he was trying to steal as he was a very loose and aggressive player.
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In push/fold situations it is all about first in vigorish. You don't have this here. It's a fine hand to open shove from LP when you're short but coming over the top when you're likely to get called, I don't like. The blinds have just gone past you so you will hopefully get a chance before it gets back to you to get your chips in first.
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07-09-2007, 12:52 PM
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Fish
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I would agree with Jharding666. Think in this way. You want to double up. Stealing blinds might not happen as you are short stack. I would wait for a premium hand and shove it and have a greater chance to double up than any suited connectors. I rarely call a 3X BB raise with suited connectors, depending on the other person's stack size and mine etc etc.. Even if the blinds raise quickly they are working in you favour as you want a loose call with your monster hand and double or may be triple up.
I would say fold.
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