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    Poker Expert wastrel's Avatar
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    Default Top set, slow play this?

    First hand after the rebuy period ($1r on FTP).

    Is slow playing this flop a better move?

    Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

    saw flop|saw showdown

    wastrel (t5995)
    Button (t2460)
    SB (t9015)
    BB (t4120)
    UTG (t7180)
    UTG+1 (t14670)
    MP1 (t4545)
    MP2 (t3500)
    MP3 (t5695)

    Preflop: wastrel is CO with , .
    5 folds, wastrel raises to t300, 1 fold, SB calls t250, BB calls t200.

    Flop: (t900) , , (3 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, wastrel bets t650, SB folds, BB folds.

    Final Pot: t1550

    Results in white below:
    No showdown. wastrel wins t1550.
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    100% Slow Play

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    100% slowplay and post in river rats OMG KKK loses to AT when a J comes on the turn - fucking rigged.
    What are you hoping someone else can hit that gives them a good second best hand?
    Basically you are hoping they either decide to bluff a preflop raiser who checks a K high flop or hit what they believe is a 2 outer to give them a lower set.

    I think you have to put the money in and hope someone will go with you or make a move. I think betting is more likely to induce someone to make a play than a check personally.

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    I'll play it one of two ways:


    *Slowplay completely if no flush or straight draws are apparent

    *Make my standard continuation bet and pray one of these monkeys thinks its time to make a stand against me.


    The problem with top set, is that it is very unlikely that anyone else has top pair. Unfortunately, J10 could easily be up against you with 8 outs to murder your set. So I make a 1/2pot sized bet on your flop. Had it been something like:

    K 9 3 rainbow, I'd definitely slowplay

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    The rainbow board is really safe, but the Q is kinda ugly. As Wota points out the gutshot draws are freerolling. I dont think slow-playing is a big mistake though. If the turn is a broadway card you could always call a bet and hope the board pairs on the river.
    Last edited by OrionPro; 06-24-2007 at 06:01 PM.

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    I like it the way it was played.
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    Quote Originally Posted by feint06 View Post
    Unfortunately, J10 could easily be up against you with 8 outs to murder your set.
    With that PFR? No, I think it's more likely that at least one of these guys has an ace. I think another might have had a PP and was hoping to flop a set. If one of these guys catches a hand, that's it for them, they're gone.

    That said, both options have advantages. It's more of a play-style thing, I think, than a yes/no answer.
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    i wouldnt play it any different
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    Mike McDermott
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    Standard play and boy does it suck that this wasn't one hand sooner i.e. the last hand of the rebuy period then 23o would be stacking off

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    That said, both options have advantages. It's more of a play-style thing, I think, than a yes/no answer.
    If your play-style is to check behind here with AK as the preflop raiser in position when checked to, and also to check behind here with AQ/JJ/any other 2 cards you raised to make a positional play with then yes check behind.

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