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  1. #1
    Fish Food gigantes's Avatar
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    Default Bad straight lay-down against the flush threat?

    immediately after this hand i had the feeling that i had made a big mistake in laying down.

    three questions here-
    Stage #690031047: Holdem No Limit $100 - 2007-06-24 00:30:59 (ET)
    Table: LOCKHEED AVE (Play Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
    Hand History Converter from Poker-Theory.org

    Seat 5 - KINAWAI ($37350 in chips)
    Seat 6 - CARPENTER28 ($13900 in chips)
    Seat 8 - BYACE ($28600 in chips)
    Seat 9 - GIGANTES1966 ($19000 in chips)
    Seat 4 - LUNATICS ($20000 in chips)
    CARPENTER28 - Posts small blind $50
    BYACE - Posts big blind $100
    LUNATICS - Posts $100
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to GIGANTES1966

    GIGANTES1966 - Calls $100
    LUNATICS - Raises $100 to $200
    KINAWAI - Folds
    CARPENTER28 - Calls $150
    BYACE - Calls $100
    GIGANTES1966 - Calls $100
    note: at this level of play i've found that paying 2xBB to see the flop breaks even in smallish-handed tables. also, the experience of the hand is worth the price to me since buy-in's and rebuys are 200xBB. (no way i do this with cash or in tourney)
    *** FLOP ***

    CARPENTER28 - Checks
    BYACE - Checks
    GIGANTES1966 - Bets $500
    LUNATICS - Calls $500
    CARPENTER28 - Calls $500
    BYACE - Calls $500
    semi-bluff here which unfortunately fails to isolate.

    first question- what would be considered 'correct' play at this point?

    *** TURN ***

    CARPENTER28 - Checks
    BYACE - Folds
    GIGANTES1966 - Checks
    LUNATICS - Checks
    with the number of callers on the flop raise, i was scared to continue-bet here.

    big mistake due to the flush draw on board?
    *** RIVER ***

    CARPENTER28 - Bets $1000
    GIGANTES1966 - Folds
    LUNATICS - Folds
    CARPENTER28 - returned ($1000) : not called
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    CARPENTER28 - Does not show
    CARPENTER28 Collects $2800 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total Pot($2800)
    my straight card was also someone's potential flush card, particularly since there's a lot of flush hunters at this level and because of the way the bets and calls played out.

    pot odds were about 1:4 if i'm figuring correctly. then using bluff magazine calculator, my odds of winning are about 86% three-handed, which i surely have to decrease due to the flush threat being made.

    so then, last question- did the odds of winning wind up being favorable to the pot odds in order to make that call? or more importantly, what action do you make there?

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    River Rat
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    fold preflop
    In general, don't chase straights when flush draw is there (or when board is paired). If you are going to semi-bluff, I would check to the raiser (who will probably cbet) & then come over the top. This will be more likely to take the pot down right there. If that fails, it almost certainly will isolate...

    As played, I call the river (almost 4:1 odds)
    Last edited by feint06; 06-23-2007 at 10:17 PM.

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    The odds you're getting on the river are too good to fold a straight. I would call and expect to have the best hand at least some of the time.

    I agree with fold pf though.

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