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  1. #1
    River Rat
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    Default Late in a tournament, good laydown?

    Is this a trivial laydown, or should I consider calling?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1200 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    MP3 (t22477)
    CO (t3198)
    Button (t22266)
    SB (t39197)
    Hero (t22725)
    UTG (t73313)
    UTG+1 (t11050)
    MP1 (t28691)
    MP2 (t47083)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with T, T.
    UTG raises to t3675, UTG+1 raises to t11050, 7 folds, UTG folds.

    Final Pot: t15250

    Results in white below:
    No showdown. UTG+1 wins t15250.
    Last edited by feint06; 06-22-2007 at 09:44 PM.

  2. #2
    River Rat
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    Another similar situation:

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1600 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    MP2 (t15077)
    CO (t38191)
    Button (t32322)
    Hero (t21725)
    BB (t35313)
    UTG (t52398)
    UTG+1 (t38091)
    MP1 (t36883)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with A, T.
    6 folds, Hero raises to t5075, BB raises to t25075, Hero folds.

    Final Pot: t30600

    Results in white below:
    No showdown. BB wins t30600.

  3. #3
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    I'm folding both times, best your looking at first hand is a coin flip and with 2 people all in i really doubt that.

  4. #4
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    Man, I just fell apart at the final table... Everyone kept limping on my blind, and it just got me in trouble when I'd get a piece of the flop and they wouldn't show any strength...


    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t3000 (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    Button (t75404)
    SB (t45568)
    Hero (t29725)
    UTG (t64676)
    MP (t37247)
    CO (t17380)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, K.
    4 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

    Flop: (t5250) K, A, J (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets t5000, SB calls t5000.

    Turn: (t15250) 3 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets t5000, SB calls t5000.

    River: (t25250) 6 (2 players)
    SB bets t9000, Hero calls t9000.

    Final Pot: t43250

    Results in white below:
    SB has 2s Ks (flush, ace high).
    Hero has 5c Kd (one pair, kings).
    Outcome: SB wins t43250.




    I made a nice little comeback and got up to 7bbs... then more limping trouble:


    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t3000 (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    Button (t79004)
    SB (t40493)
    Hero (t25200)
    UTG (t70676)
    MP (t32084)
    CO (t22543)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, 8.
    UTG calls t3000, 3 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

    Flop: (t8250) K, 8, 6 (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks.

    Turn: (t8250) 4 (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets t22050 (All-In), UTG calls t22050, SB folds.

    River: (t52350) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: t52350

    Results in white below:
    Hero has 7h 8c (two pair, eights and fours).
    UTG has 4h 4d (four of a kind, fours).
    Outcome: UTG wins t52350.
    Last edited by feint06; 06-22-2007 at 10:40 PM.

  5. #5
    Mike McDermott
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    Just how late in the tournament is the 10s hand? Are we talking bubble? In the money? Approaching final table?

    His range has to be pretty small but we are getting 2:1. That said I don't think he has AK/AQ enough of the time to make this +EV.

    Did you have any reads? What did you think his range was based on his play thus far?


    I think I call with the AT, the villain doesn't need to have that strong a hand to make this play with. Again, were there any reads on him?


    That river call with K5 was ugly


    In future threads if you can give us a bit more info on the villains then it would make analysis a lot easier.

  6. #6
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    All are at the final table of a $4 180-man sng top 18 make double their money back. 9th makes $12, 8th $18, 7th $25... up to $216 for 1st

    For the A10 play, I think he has to have any ace, and k10 -kq. I probably had the best hand, but I wasn't sure it was where I wanted to take my stand


    Dunno wtf I was doing with the K5. just pure brainfart donkiness

  7. #7
    Mike McDermott
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    Quote Originally Posted by feint06 View Post
    For the A10 play, I think he has to have any ace, and k10 -kq.
    In that case I can't get my chips in fast enough. You gotta play for first in these, the payouts are so top heavy!

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    Mike McDermott
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    I fold the AT.

    I get my shit in REAL fast on the TT hand. It being a $4 MTT, you're ahead of both ranges without specific reads me thinks.
    BOSS

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    Mike McDermott
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanyBullets1 View Post
    I fold the AT.
    At least we know why

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    Mike McDermott
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    Quote Originally Posted by jharding666 View Post
    At least we know why
    Do you really want to be playing for stacks with a garbage hand like ATo??
    BOSS

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