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    Here are the 9 other hands (2-10). All in the same sng that I played this morning and WON FINALLY. No bad beats, no lucky draws, I just played good overall (In my opinion). I KNOW some hands were played not that good, but that's to show that I do mistakes also and am aware. Some are "dull", but still, would you have played it differently ? (Higher bet ? Raise ? Why ?) Would still love your take on it. These 9 other hands have "meaning" the most ,the rest were irrelevant, but still, overall, it puts you in situations you see most of the time. Thanks a lot

    HAND 2

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (4 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

    BB (t3430)
    UTG (t1350)
    Hero (t1680)
    SB (t2540)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
    UTG calls t30, Hero calls t30, 1 fold, BB checks.

    Flop: (t105) , , (3 players)
    BB checks, UTG bets t30, Hero calls t30, BB folds.

    Turn: (t165) (2 players)
    UTG bets t30, Hero calls t30.

    River: (t225) (2 players)
    UTG bets t30, Hero raises to t120, UTG calls t90.

    Final Pot: t465

    Results in white below:
    UTG has Ac 3d (one pair, threes).
    Hero has 3h 5h (one pair, threes).
    Outcome: UTG wins t465.




    HAND 3

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    Button (t4095)
    SB (t1540)
    Hero (t1230)
    UTG (t2135)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
    UTG calls t100, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

    Flop: (t300) , , (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets t200, SB folds, Hero raises to t400, UTG folds.

    Final Pot: t900

    Results in white below:
    No showdown. Hero wins t900.




    HAND 4

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    Button (t4495)
    SB (t2375)
    Hero (t2130)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
    1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

    Flop: (t200) , , (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets t100, SB calls t100.

    Turn: (t400) (2 players)
    SB bets t100, Hero raises to t200, SB calls t100.

    River: (t800) (2 players)
    SB bets t400, Hero calls t400.

    Final Pot: t1600

    Results in white below:
    SB has 5h 2h (two pair, nines and twos).
    Hero has Jc Td (two pair, jacks and tens).
    Outcome: Hero wins t1600.




    HAND 5

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    BB (t4095)
    Button (t1800)
    Hero (t3105)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
    1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

    Flop: (t300) , , (2 players)
    Hero bets t150, BB folds.

    Final Pot: t450

    Results in white below:
    No showdown. Hero wins t450.


    Final Pot: t1600



    HAND 6

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    Button (t3795)
    SB (t1950)
    Hero (t3255)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
    1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

    Flop: (t300) , , (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks.

    Turn: (t300) (2 players)
    SB bets t150, Hero raises to t600, SB folds.

    Final Pot: t1050

    Results in white below:
    No showdown. Hero wins t1050.




    HAND 7


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    SB (t3945)
    BB (t1575)
    Hero (t3480)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
    Hero calls t150, SB completes, BB checks.

    Flop: (t450) , , (3 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t450, SB folds, BB folds.

    Final Pot: t900

    Results in white below:
    No showdown. Hero wins t900.




    HAND 8

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    Button (t4620)
    SB (t825)
    Hero (t3555)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
    1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

    Flop: (t300) , , (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks.

    Turn: (t300) (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets t150, SB folds.

    Final Pot: t450

    Results in white below:
    No showdown. Hero wins t450.




    HAND 9

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    BB (t4620)
    Button (t675)
    Hero (t3705)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
    1 fold, Hero raises to t375, 1 fold.

    Final Pot: t525

    Results in white below:
    No showdown. Hero wins t525.




    HAND 10

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    Button (t3790)
    Hero (t5210)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
    Button calls t100, Hero checks.

    Flop: (t400) , , (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button checks.

    Turn: (t400) (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets t400, Hero calls t400.

    River: (t1200) (2 players)
    Hero bets t400, Button folds.

    Final Pot: t1600

    Results in white below:
    Hero has 3s JavaScript (one pair, twos).
    Outcome: Hero wins t1600.

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    GJ on using a hand converter. Few new posters are able to do that.

    Hand #2 I dump that preflop. Post, I call down the minbettor. Dont raise

    Hand #3, risky move. If you misread the situation you lose a ton of chips.

    Hand #4, that is a weird turn play. You represent a 9 or something but if he's drawing or has a 9 himself he won't care.

    Hand #7 scared overbet, dont scare them out of the pot

    The other hands look ok!

    Overall, it seems to me you like to take stabs and bluff people out. At lower stakes this can be very risky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrionPro View Post
    GJ on using a hand converter. Few new posters are able to do that.

    Hand #2 I dump that preflop. Post, I call down the minbettor. Dont raise

    Hand #3, risky move. If you misread the situation you lose a ton of chips.

    Hand #4, that is a weird turn play. You represent a 9 or something but if he's drawing or has a 9 himself he won't care.

    Hand #7 scared overbet, dont scare them out of the pot

    The other hands look ok!

    Overall, it seems to me you like to take stabs and bluff people out. At lower stakes this can be very risky.
    First of, thanks for your time. Much appreciated.

    Here are my comments :

    hand 2 : yeah, should of folded. the "BUT" part is, tell me, do we all sometimes limp in here and there with a hand like that, when all it costs is 30 ?

    hand 3 : true. But I noticed the guy playing, he bluffed a couple of times when the board paired. I had a pretty strong read on him, that, I was confident enough. but still true I would of lost a lot of chips if misread. What should I do when the board pairs, and you have the other card ? Would of been differently played if I had Q-2 ? K-2 ?


    hand 4 : what would you have done ?

    hand 7 : true. I think I was paranoïd because of the streak of beats I had but that, I need to work on


    I'd say my style of play is actually, trying to trap people and get paid of by their mistakes. When I have the nuts, I play them 2 different ways, depending the oppenents: either overbet, trying to make him think I'm bluffing or am scared of the board, or 2, slow playing it weirdly so the oppenent is confused


    One last thing, hand #6, on the flop, is checking the correct play or should of I putted a tester bet ?
    Thanks again
    Last edited by mister.x; 06-16-2007 at 12:27 PM.

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    On hand #7, I like a raise pre-flop. Even if you do manage to hit trips then, and someone HAPPENS to be paying attention to the game (rare, but it happens), then they will put you on two overcards. If not, they won't care anyway.

    "OMGZ!!11! 92 teh nutz!"

    Hand 2 you REALLY need to start learning to fold pre-flop. Playing loose is losing money. I like the check-raise bluff at higher stakes, but I doubt you're playing >$11 sit n gos.

    Hand 6... you know, I actually like this. You've got two flush draws and a very likely inside straight draw (perhaps even open ended with KT). As a guy who slowplays too much, I think that this was the right choice. I think that your opponent made a flush draw on the turn, but didn't want to chase it.

    Edit: As far as your reply goes... There's a lot more than just the $30 at stake. If you limp in, it doesn't matter how much or how often, you lose money.
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    These should all be posted in different threads with info on each one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRE8R View Post
    These should all be posted in different threads with info on each one.

    sorry.
    Just wanted to make the point that all this was happening in the same game

    Note taken

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    I do fold a lot preflop, just did not this hand. I was on the button, suited almost connectors. Very low cost to see a flop. I admit I put myself into minor trouble in this hand. The question is : should I fold this hand 100% of times in the same situation ?

    In early position, I would of folded 100% of time. I was in late position, unraised. It probably does not make it acceptable, but image flopping a good draw ? That's the problem. Then you would of been pissed at yourself "just 30to see a flop, blinds did not raise, I am an idiot, and know the board show a flush draw or open ended draw"

    ok ok, I'll stop defending plays. FOLD next time, that will be my play.

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    Fold pre-flop.

    Every time.

    Seriously, until you start playing real high stakes, you MUST fold this pre-flop.

    Think about it this way: It costs you $30, but there is STILL only $105 in the pot. Would you say that those are good pot odds at ALL?

    In case you're wondering, they're not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mister.x View Post
    sorry.
    Just wanted to make the point that all this was happening in the same game

    Note taken
    Hey no worries man. Just makes it easier to differentiate between different hands. We can make more defined replies as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mister.x
    First of, thanks for your time. Much appreciated.

    Here are my comments :

    hand 2 : yeah, should of folded. the "BUT" part is, tell me, do we all sometimes limp in here and there with a hand like that, when all it costs is 30 ?
    I thought it was on the bubble, but it's a 6-STT On the bubble it's unnecessary risk to play speculative hands, esp when you hit the flop hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by mister.x
    hand 3 : true. But I noticed the guy playing, he bluffed a couple of times when the board paired. I had a pretty strong read on him, that, I was confident enough. but still true I would of lost a lot of chips if misread. What should I do when the board pairs, and you have the other card ? Would of been differently played if I had Q-2 ? K-2 ?
    Paired board doesn't guarantee nobody has anything. I once bluffed off all my chips on a board showing 3 aces- he had QUADS and just kept calling...

    Quote Originally Posted by mister.x
    hand 4 : what would you have done ?
    Just calling or raising to ~400 looks good. Is this the same donk who minbet every street earlier?

    Quote Originally Posted by mister.x
    One last thing, hand #6, on the flop, is checking the correct play or should of I putted a tester bet ?
    Thanks again
    I usually take it down on the flop, but your line is perfectly fine. Top pair is strong enough to slow-play heads-up, when you know your opponent has a random unpaired hand.

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