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  1. #1
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    Default what would u have done?

    so i'm playing at the indian casino in jackson at a 1 2 no limit table. A player makes it live 4(which if anyone doesn't no it raises everyones blind more before u even see you cards in the hole) i usually never play the live 4 but i had AJ suited in spades. So i raise to 15 dollars.everyone folds which is ok to me except the guy that made it live 4. the flop comes A,K,3 all of diamonds. i bet 10 more to feel out the other players. The guy reraises all-in. I fold and show the table what i had. The other player shows what he had 8,6 off suited and no diamonds. Everyone yelled at me for not calling the 103 dollar raise. I kinda had a feeling that he had nothing but the fact remains in my head that u can't call when there is a flush draw and a backdoor strate draw. Both which would beat my top pair, top kicker... So what do u guys think i should have done?

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    Mike McDermott
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    Your flop bet is far too small. How much is in the pot? About $35 is it? I'd bet at least $25, he's less likely to try and pull a bluff. If he still shoves, it's a tough decision and I probably fold without reads on the player.

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    Yeah bet more on the flop, $25 seems good.

    As played fold to the shove.
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    I would have folded to his bet also

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    I definitely would have raised your flop bet. I wouldn't have made the maniac move he did but it's obvious to most players that your bet is one that is scared. As a rule of thumb when you make a raise preflop - your bet on the flop should NEVER be less than this bet. Be very careful about the sizes of your bets as they may give away more information than you intend on getting from their calls. Be consistent with your actions.

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    I realize that I have a lot to learn, but I'll give it a go as to what I would have done/thought.

    When he called you, I would have figured that with a 15$ raise, in order for him to have had a flush, he would have had to make that call with Q J or Q 10 of diamonds. I can't imagine making the call with Q rag diamonds, but I'm sure that there are some out there that would.

    When you flopped top pair, he could still be holding something like A K or A Q, so I would have bet an amount that was higher than your original raise of 15$, 20 - 30 sounds good to me. It's one thing to completely miss the flop and try to represent anything that's out there, but when you actually hit it pretty good, and then bet low, not only are you representing that you missed it, you also show him that, allowing him to make the call at the very least. Even if he had not raised, you're giving him a cheap opprotunity to see another card. He could have been on K Q, thus thinking he has the better hand, but would just make the cheap call, and giving him another opprotunity to make his hand just that much better.

    Now, I don't know how the guy plays, but players that overplay their hands that often eventually self destruct.

    I heard someone say once (an announcer, I believe) that overplaying your hand and bluffing strong works a lot of times, except for the last time.

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    When he called you, I would have figured that with a 15$ raise, in order for him to have had a flush, he would have had to make that call with Q J or Q 10 of diamonds. I can't imagine making the call with Q rag diamonds, but I'm sure that there are some out there that would.
    I'm going to assume you've never played live poker. He already had $4 in the pot after straddling and was pot committed to call with ANY 2 suited cards as well as any 2 cards which can ever make a straight, any ace, 69o as lol it's a sex position, 72o as it would be hilarious to pull a bluff and show and 94s because its his favourite hand for some gay reason.

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    completely agree with wota's humorous remarks. He really is right though. Most live players that put in this straddle feel obligated to play almost any two cards.

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    You are exactly right, I have never played live poker, save a few times, that I can count on one hand.

    I'm not the best player at all, and I may play WAYYY to conservative, but like I said in the beginning of my post, it was just my opinion.

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    I wasn't putting down you or your comments, your thought process was fine if your opponent was a reasonable tight player.
    With no other information than that he's playing in a low stakes live game and straddled this is probably a bad assumption.

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