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    Mike McDermott
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    Default NL25 - JJ against aggressive opponent. Too much?

    Villain's stats 22/13/10.3AF/206 hands

    Most of the stats on this guy were from another session. He was at 2 of my tables at the time and he was raising and re raising all over the place.

    Should I:
    a) Flat call PF
    b) Re raise PF, and to how much?

    and after his re raise should I:
    a) Flat call
    b) Raise all in
    c) Fold

    Cryptologic Network No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

    saw flop|saw showdown

    MP ($4.97)
    CO ($23.14)
    Hero ($24.60)
    SB ($33.39)
    BB ($10.85)
    UTG ($17)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
    UTG raises to $1, 1 fold, CO calls $1, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, UTG raises to $10, CO folds, Hero raises to $17, UTG calls $7.

    Flop: ($40.40) , , (2 players)
    .

    Turn: ($40.40) (2 players)

    River: ($40.40) (2 players)

    Final Pot: $40.40

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    I like the 3bet preflop and also think its a good amount.

    Once the guy repops to $10 it is push or fold. Probably pretty marginal spot and the reason I lean towards a fold is the fact that he didn't shove but just reraised so with that betting tell it looks like a big pair to me.

    However if he outright shoves you would have to put $13 into $19 pot so getting pretty decent odds considering you will win pot 37% of the time even if he only ever has AK or QQ+.

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    This guy is super aggressive. I say get it all in and hope for the best.
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    Hmm, very marginal spot. I like the 3-bet, but it's a tough decision after he repops. No point in calling his raise, you may as well get it in or fold.

    Based on his aggression and the fact you say he is raising all over the place, I like the shove I think.

    Has he shown down hands that he's been repopping with? And also, what have you seen of his positional awareness?
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidab157 View Post
    Hmm, very marginal spot. I like the 3-bet, but it's a tough decision after he repops. No point in calling his raise, you may as well get it in or fold.

    Based on his aggression and the fact you say he is raising all over the place, I like the shove I think.

    Has he shown down hands that he's been repopping with? And also, what have you seen of his positional awareness?
    I never would call the re raise, I just put the option there so we could laugh at whoever suggested it

    No I haven't seen any of the hands from this session being shown down and I didn't have any notes on him about past shown down hands.

    3 or 4 tabling I find it difficult keeping track of the players that are positionally aware. One thing I noticed is that he normally only re pops when in position but giving the sizes of bets relative to stacks this is irrelevant here because if a flop is seen it's just getting put in anyway.

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    Thing is, 22/13/10 isn't the stats of a donkey. His pfr% is a tad low but I'd have him down as a decent player until I see otherwise. Against those guys I just don't tend to get involved too much, I just aim at the donks.

    But, having said that if he is re-raising all over the place I don't think a shove is a bad play, plus you get a decent note on him for later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidab157 View Post
    Thing is, 22/13/10 isn't the stats of a donkey. His pfr% is a tad low but I'd have him down as a decent player until I see otherwise. Against those guys I just don't tend to get involved too much, I just aim at the donks.

    But, having said that if he is re-raising all over the place I don't think a shove is a bad play, plus you get a decent note on him for later.
    Exactly my point. He isn't a donk. He may have just been on a heater. As we know he isn't a donk, is he really going to do this with AK/AQ/TT-?

    It's probably important to note that he hasn't once pushed me around so it's not like he thinks he can!

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    Yeah, it's a tough one. As I say I don't think folding or shoving are bad plays. After thinking about this alot (and changing my mind constantly), the thing that leads me to shoving is this:

    - He's been super-aggro.
    - He's not full stacked (a good TAG grinder will reload when <90bb or so)
    - His range is a bit of an unknown and I want to find out what it is.
    - It's NL25

    All this combined adds AK/AQ/99/TT (maybe even AJ) to his range imo. If you are happy enough with your BR to get into marginal plays like this then I like shoving. And if he does have a poor hand you have one hell of a note on him for later.
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    Well I'm glad the overall consensus is that I made the right play. That's all that counts I guess

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    David,

    I honestly think he has a pair here almost always and usually QQ+.
    If he just shoves all in then I would include hands like AJ, possibly even Axs but not many people think hmmmm I have AJo and the guy 3bet me, I'll just raise a little more hoping he calls. They would say Goddamit I'm all in!!!!!!!

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