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    Mike McDermott
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    Default NL25 QQ - double barrel?

    Villains stats are 47/16/1.29AF/70 hands

    Should I fire again on the turn?

    As played, is a river bet here good?

    Was my river bet too small? (I think I know the answer to this)

    Cryptologic Network No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

    saw flop|saw showdown

    UTG ($10.15)
    MP ($29.64)
    Hero ($25.84)
    Button ($28.24)
    SB ($15.23)
    BB ($10)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with , .
    2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, BB calls $0.75.

    Flop: ($2.15) , , (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $1.5, BB calls $1.50.

    Turn: ($5.15) (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks.

    River: ($5.15) (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $2, BB calls $2.

    Final Pot: $9.15

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    I like the way you played this alot. Gives him chance to bluff river, controls pot when we're beat.
    I wouldn't have bet much more on the river, probably $3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WotaWaster View Post
    I like the way you played this alot. Gives him chance to bluff river, controls pot when we're beat.
    I wouldn't have bet much more on the river, probably $3.
    Hey Wota, doesnt this seem like a good spot to double barrel what with the turn not being a spade?
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    Double barrel implies bluffing to me and I don't think we are bluffing here.

    My logic in the hand is as follows:

    If we check turn and call river we are 99% guaranteed showdown for the prize of 1 bet. If the guy overbet pushes river it is an easy fold for me. Similarly if the river is the A spades and he bets I fold.

    I think if we bet we don't get called by a worse made hand and we don't fold out a better made hand. Therefore we are only betting to protect against the flush draw or maybe some 2-5 out hands which I am prepared to take the risk against being outdrawn in order to control the pot.

    If he had a flush draw and misses he may bluff the river allowing us to pick up an extra bets. He may also make a stupid bluff with a hand like bottom/mid pair or even A high. People make stupid bluffs in 6max.

    If you bet again its OK, but you obviously need to fold to a raise and if called you probably have to fold the river with the pot being that much bigger meaning you can get bluffed off more easily.

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    Wota I think you're underestimating how much of a station this guy seems. He's very aggro preflop but very passive postflop. I see him calling down with 77-JJ (admittedly he repops JJ and maybe TT preflop) but not bluffing the river with them. I'd be inclined to value bet this the whole way, and if he starts playing back we can get away. Against a reasonably savvy opponent I'd check the turn and call a reasonable river bet though.

    I don't think this is the type of villain to bluff a busted FD that often but I do think he's the type to call down a mid pair/draw.

    As played I think the river bet should be in the region of $3-4. Definitely bet this river IMO.
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    For someone playing almost 50% of the hand hes dealt I don't think 1.3 is actually that low for AF. I'm not saying you're wrong, you've played these levels more than me over the past few months but I wouldn't fancy betting all 3 streets here with QQ. I would either bet turn and check river behind if checked to, or check turn behind an bet river if checked to.

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    Yeah.

    I was maybe a bit OTT saying I'd bet all 3 streets. I'll generally need some evidence of villain calling all the way with a weak hand first (but after 70 hands with that kind of player it's more than likely I'd see it).

    Most of the time I'd bet the turn and check behind on the river. Sometimes I'd bet the whole way. I just think there is more value to be had from betting the turn than waiting until the river.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidab157 View Post
    I just think there is more value to be had from betting the turn than waiting until the river.
    I agree with this because of the flush draw possibilities and him being a calling station. I'm more likely to get called by a hand I beat on the turn than the river right?

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