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  1. #1
    Mike McDermott
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    Default Top pair on flop becomes weak 2 pair on turn

    I'd normally fold this PF, I'm not really sure why I played the hand. I ended up OOP with a pretty marginal hand.

    I know a lot of people will say check/fold the flop but there had been no PF raise so I thought I'd test the water.

    My question is really about what to do on this turn?

    Cryptologic Network No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

    CO ($11.74)
    Button ($8.27)
    Hero ($24.35)
    BB ($26.88)
    UTG ($14.62)
    MP ($23.88)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
    2 folds, CO calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, Hero completes, BB checks.

    Flop: ($1) , , (4 players)
    Hero bets $0.75, BB folds, CO calls $0.75, Button calls $0.75.

    Turn: ($3.25) (3 players)
    Hero????

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    I bet again.

    The board may look very scary but the hands which beat us are:

    QJ for straight
    AA, KK, TT, AK, AT for set or 2 pairs

    Dependent upon the opposing players the vast majority of this range should not be limping in preflop.
    QJ probably limps and maybe AT, though even these hands alot of players would be raising with from LP.

    Therefore I think we have to lead for value against Ax and also to protect our hand against the flush draw.
    If we get raised it's probably a fold against most players at this level.

    The other option is to check with a view to calling down if no heart, Q or J falls on river and both opponents don't go crazy. I am not sure I like that line here vs 2 players though. I'd maybe play the hand this way in a heads up pot against a guy who usually bets when checked to twice or when he misses draws.

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    CO stats were 42/1/0.34AF over 70 hands

    Button was 73/9/0.91 over 193 hands

    They both love limping! Sorry I should have posted this in the original post.

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    Pair of call machines.
    Bet and fold to a raise.
    Highly unlikely one of these guys makes a play on the turn with anything you beat.
    Highly likely they call with a flush draw or A3.

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    I bet and they both folded. CO claimed to have QQ, lol

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    Yeah bet that again, 2 pair is like the nuts against these guys.

    Trust me, if they have you beat they will minraise.

    One thing, I don't like completing with A4o preflop. It's not terrible but I fold <A7o. Just avoids tough spots really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidab157 View Post
    Yeah bet that again, 2 pair is like the nuts against these guys.

    Trust me, if they have you beat they will minraise.

    One thing, I don't like completing with A4o preflop. It's not terrible but I fold <A7o. Just avoids tough spots really.
    Check the first line of the original post

    Lol, you're right about the min raises

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    Quote Originally Posted by jharding666 View Post
    Check the first line of the original post
    Oh yeah, lol.
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    Bet again, no reason to believe you are beat here yet, bet again and let the donks call down with Ax, flush draws, etc. If you get raised anywhere on this board, you know what to do. But once noone raises your flop bet and then you turn 2 pair it really makes me think your hand is good.

    so yeah, bet/fold the turn.

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