Correct Strategy?

**lairyboy** · 05-28-2007

Without this being a tournament, this hand is simple, but as there was one player all-in, and we were already in the money but a long way from the final table, should I have bet this flop?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|saw showdown

MP1 (t37031)
MP2 (t55767)
MP3 (t10639)
CO (t4043)
Button (t51109)
SB (t36590)
Hero (t112578)
UTG (t53065)
UTG+1 (t23658)

Preflop: Hero is BB with

,

.
2 folds, MP1 calls t2000, 2 folds, CO raises to t3943, 1 fold, SB calls t2943, Hero calls t1943, MP1 calls t1943.

Flop: (t13572)

,

(4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks.

Turn: (t13572)

(4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t8000, MP1 calls t8000, SB folds.

River: (t29572)

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets t8000, Hero calls t8000.

Final Pot: t45572

Results in white below:
Hero has 4d 6s (straight, eight high).
MP1 has 3d 3h (full house, threes full of sevens).
CO has 9h Ad (one pair, sevens).
Outcome: MP1 wins t45572.

**LordRahl86** · 05-28-2007

Absolutely. Chances are that you already have the all in guy beat. If you don't bet, you're just increasing the chance of MP1 getting lucky, which he did. Make it expensive to see the turn so that doesn't happen.

**Steve Ruddock** · 05-28-2007

you have to bet

1) you don't want someone getting lucky and there are a lot of ugly cards for you

2) you're more likely to get bluffed out of the pot.

3) you're more likely to get caught by a slowplayer. If you raise and someone calls alarm bells should go off

**the alex** · 05-28-2007

Bet like 10-12k. Put them at a binary pushfold decision there and call a shove.

Just shoving the flop isn't bad either.

**lairyboy** · 05-29-2007

When I bet the turn some douchebag said "why the hell are you betting?" The all-in guy had a 9h, but say by betting the flop I push out the jh, the heart hits and I lose to all-in guy, wouldn't that be bad strategy?

Also I am talking about hands like these in general terms. When does it become correct to play "tournament strategy" and try to combine to knock another player out? Only at the final table?

**jharding666** · 05-29-2007

Originally Posted by lairyboy

When I bet the turn some douchebag said "why the hell are you betting?" The all-in guy had a 9h, but say by betting the flop I push out the jh, the heart hits and I lose to all-in guy, wouldn't that be bad strategy?

Also I am talking about hands like these in general terms. When does it become correct to play "tournament strategy" and try to combine to knock another player out? Only at the final table?

If we are talking strictly MTTs then I think that on the bubble and towards the final table and from then on is the time to check it down. Stack sizes and M's make a huge difference though so I don't think you can specifically say, "When there are 10 players left always check it down".

If I have 2 pair + on the flop then I will normally bet whatever and hope I get leaned on for betting when I "should" be checking.
(I'd also do this with AA/KK if I didn't manage to get it AIPF)

**pj94z** · 05-29-2007

I think you just play this hand like normal - since you have a strong hand.

I agree that checking it down when 1 player is all in is a good strategy...however...that's only if you have like A high or mid PP etc.

With a straight, I'd go ahead n take the other guy to value town...starting on the flop.

**davidab157** · 05-29-2007

I think, on that flop if you are pretty sure you have the all in guy beat, then you have to bet for value. The whole point of checking it down is to maximise the chance of knocking him out but if you flopped a straight, you are miles ahead more often than not.

**Pinguaq** · 05-29-2007

Checking down is only appropriate if you don't have a strong hand (top pair for example) flop a straight and bet all you want. Given the stack sizes, I would have put MP1 all in on the flop.

**LordRahl86** · 05-29-2007

The point of checking it down is to knock someone out, but the point of betting is getting more chips. I read an article that talked about this, in fact, a few months ago. He said that it makes sense if you're in a satellite, but you're playing this tournament to win, so you NEED those chips. If someone rivers you, you lose all the chips in the pot. If you bet, you're much more likely to win the pot. THAT is the reason why you bet, and you can go ahead and tell the guy that. I'd guess that he'd say "Huh?" about 80% of the time, followed by a "Whatever."

I'd also like to point out that you DID have a good hand, so you were right to try to get the most out of this, but you should've bet the flop.

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