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    Default Right move?

    1 table SNG

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

    Hero (t1450)
    BB (t2926)
    UTG (t3875)
    MP (t3251)
    Button (t1998)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
    1 fold, MP raises to t600, 1 fold, Hero raises to t1450, 1 fold, MP calls t850.

    Flop: (t3100) , , (2 players)

    Turn: (t3100) (2 players)

    River: (t3100) (2 players)

    Final Pot: t3100

    Results in white below:
    Hero has Jd Ac (one pair, jacks).
    MP has Ah Qs (high card, ace).
    Outcome: Hero wins t3100.


    Given my stack size and the blinds I figured it was worth a push, obv I got lucky but regardless of that, should I have pushed here?

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    yep.
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    This is obv read dependent. Not a great spot imo but I think Im pushing here majority of time unless this guy is fairly tight. Push or fold are your only options though...
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    i havent looked at the results yet... i need information such as


    villians play, type of player?

    typically in these sitiatuions i would lean towards shoving as well...we have a fairly decent hand, and is probably ahead of alot of hands villian is flat calling with, this is an either raise or fold hand...i like the play, i think its +ev

    besides you never want to "call" your chips off you want to make your opponent make the decisions put the pressure on him

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    I'd like to have reads in this spot but it's pretty obvious you have 0 fold equity even without them. He's calling you here with whatever he raised with EVERY time.

    I'd much rather be the first putting chips in but in this case, I can only hope we're flipping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanyBullets1 View Post
    I'd like to have reads in this spot but it's pretty obvious you have 0 fold equity even without them. He's calling you here with whatever he raised with EVERY time.

    I'd much rather be the first putting chips in but in this case, I can only hope we're flipping.

    You have to lay this down.
    I know you have close to zero fold equity but... you are the short stack and have 100 already invested in the SB. You can make a pretty strong argument to push here imo even with no reads. Also when you push you are putting pressure on your opp which is always a good thing, hes more likely to make a mistake.
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    I'm never laying this down. I think AJ is waaay ahead of his range here, this is prime blind stealing time of a sng, and we're getting plently of calls from Ax<J and other shit.
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    You won didn't you? It must be the right move






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    I think this is a tough spot and it can easily be argued either way. Yes we are far ahead of his range but we are getting called and if we lose this hand its busto. I think shoving is +ev but that doesn't necessarily make it correct in the case of a SnG where first and foremost we want to make the money.


    I'm interested to know if anyone reckons this is a good spot for a stop 'n' go? Just call the bet and shove any flop. It gives him a chance to get away from hands that might have caught on 4th or 5th street and if he hits the flop and beats you, well he was taking all your money if you shoved anyway. Also, is this too risky with the BB still to act?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jharding666 View Post
    I'm interested to know if anyone reckons this is a good spot for a stop 'n' go? Just call the bet and shove any flop. It gives him a chance to get away from hands that might have caught on 4th or 5th street and if he hits the flop and beats you, well he was taking all your money if you shoved anyway. Also, is this too risky with the BB still to act?
    I probably do this play too much but in this case, I don't. I don't think many pocket pairs are folding the flop, if they are in any way observant they will see this play a mile off and call with any pair. Also alot of our value for shoving preflop will come from running into a weaker ace, which will often be folding if we shove the flop.

    For me preflop, it's shove or fold. I'm really not sure which is the best play but in the heat of the battle I probably shove...and lose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidab157 View Post
    I don't think many pocket pairs are folding the flop, if they are in any way observant they will see this play a mile off and call with any pair. Also alot of our value for shoving preflop will come from running into a weaker ace, which will often be folding if we shove the flop.
    A valid point but if you are taking that viewpoint do you not feel that the A high hands will call too? Obviously if you think there is a good chance they'll call you without hitting then you're better off shoving PF. Are low-mid pp's calling all ins on boards of all overs anyway? I don't think so. I'm not saying I'd do this move here, I'm just wondering what people's opinions on it are here.

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