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    River Rat Auto's Avatar
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    Default This hand pissed me off...

    This hand almost put me on tilt... no reads on villain. This hand just got away from me, felt that villain was bluffing until the river push. Should I have called river? or played somehow better?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (8 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

    UTG (t2770)
    UTG+1 (t1960)
    MP1 (t1410)
    MP2 (t360)
    CO (t1470)
    Button (t1440)
    SB (t1480)
    Hero (t2610)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
    UTG calls t20, 2 folds, MP2 calls t20, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to t120, UTG calls t100, MP2 calls t100, SB folds.

    Flop: (t380) , , (3 players)
    Hero bets t260, UTG raises to t700, MP2 folds, Hero calls t440.

    Turn: (t1780) (2 players)
    Hero checks, UTG bets t640, Hero calls t640.

    River: (t3060) (2 players)
    Hero checks, UTG bets t1310 (All-In), Hero folds.

    Final Pot: t4370

    Results in white below:
    UTG doesn't show.
    Outcome: UTG wins t4370.
    Last edited by Auto; 04-30-2007 at 08:46 PM.
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    I know its early on in the game but I 3 bet this all in on the flop.

    I also bet this flop a bit harder v 2 opponents, closer to pot size

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    I'm putting this guy on a lower pair. AA/KK reraise preflop, QQ is in his range though I suppose.

    I either 3 bet all in on the flop, or call and shove any turn, or call and CRAI on any turn. I favour calling and shoving the turn personally.

    As played on turn, I shove.

    As played on river, I call. It's early, but you're getting some nice odds.

    Is this an STT?

    I know we're supposed to play very tight early on and especially seeing as the villains the only guy who can stack you, but we can go broke here right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidab157 View Post
    I know we're supposed to play very tight early on and especially seeing as the villains the only guy who can stack you, but we can go broke here right?
    Yes we can, in a SnG you need to be very tight with your starting hand requirements but once you get involved with a big hand and you think you've got the best of it then you have to go for it. I know the game can't be won yet but it will set you in very good stead for the push/fold stage.

    As for calling and shoving the turn, this isn't a bad idea but I think it gives him more chance to get away from some of the smaller pp's

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    It was a 27 man SnG, I was so close to calling river. I wanted to push flop but figured he would only call me if he was ahead.

    After his weakish turn bet I was confident that am still ahead, I should have shoved here. I wish I had just shoved here. But there was so much money in the pot that I though he would checkdown river. I thought unless the guy was nuts or had the nutz he would check river. So stupidly I call turn and he insta pushes river.....

    ...so I take the whole timebank trying to convince myself Im ahead here. But I kept thinking why would this guy risk his whole stack in this spot unless he had a great hand. I just couldn't pull the trigger. I let this hand turn into a nightmare.... For some reason I ended up convincing myself he had 33 or had made a bad called pf with A2s.

    but when I fold he flipped over A8...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auto View Post
    I wanted to push flop but figured he would only call me if he was ahead.

    But there was so much money in the pot that I though he would checkdown river.

    I thought unless the guy was nuts or had the nutz he would check river. So stupidly I call turn and he insta pushes river.....

    But I kept thinking why would this guy risk his whole stack in this spot unless he had a great hand.

    For some reason I ended up convincing myself he had 33 or had made a bad called pf with A2s.

    but when I fold he flipped over A8...
    I think there are plenty of overpairs to that board that a) he calls you with and b) fit his pre flop line

    I would expect a large pot to be more fiercely contested on the river, I'm not sure why you expected it to be checked down because there was so much money in there? Surely a pot worth 3BB's is less likely to be fought over!

    If I'm him I'm pushing this river with a lot of hands that aren't the nuts e.g. A3

    People risk their whole stack with nothing all the time, just see this Nice call with Q high

    If you keep playing THAT scared then you need to seriously look at your game or switch to limit

    Lol at A8, turns out calling and shoving the turn would have been the best play!

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    Easy 3bet on the flop.

    No WAY I check call the turn. If you're going to check in front, get it all in after.

    Or just open push the turn.
    BOSS

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    Quote Originally Posted by jharding666 View Post
    People risk their whole stack with nothing all the time, just see this Nice call with Q high

    If you keep playing THAT scared then you need to seriously look at your game or switch to limit

    Lol at A8, turns out calling and shoving the turn would have been the best play!
    Yeah I admit I played a bad hand, as I said in my original post I let it get away from me. I do not make a habit playing scared poker but I made a huge error on the turn. This is where I felt I was ahead (should have got my money in) and yet decided to play stupid. But everyone can make mistakes sometimes as long as I learn from it. And on the plus side I got to make a thread to showcase my donky play.
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    On that board, with the odds you're getting and no overcards to your JJ you should call.

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