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04-23-2007, 06:04 PM
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questionable preflop call?
I am UTG with AK offsuit in a 7 person home game tourney. Blinds are 50-100 and I have about 1600 in chips. I make it 350 to go, and the button, with 1000 chips left, calls.
Flop is 8 9 3 rainbow. Button has 650 left and I decide to put him all in, reasoning that if he has 2 high cards or has otherwise missed the flop he should fold. Turns out he had 89 suited, flopped top 2 pair and won the hand.
Question is, is this a bad play by him preflop? He committed a third of his stack on a drawing hand when he had just 10x the big blind. In my opinion he made a bad call because he is putting a lot of pressure on himself to flop something, and if he misses he'll be even more short stacked, now with little if any fold equity.
In retrospect I wish I had made it about 450 to go. But is this a bad play by him?
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04-23-2007, 06:05 PM
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Yes his play is bad, but I would almost say yours is worse. IMO you should have just pushed all in with your AK.
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04-23-2007, 06:09 PM
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Push all in with 1600 to win 150? I don't see how that makes more sense than a standard raise.
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04-23-2007, 06:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KRE8R
Yes his play is bad, but I would almost say yours is worse. IMO you should have just pushed all in with your AK.
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04-23-2007, 06:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bsidensol
Push all in with 1600 to win 150? I don't see how that makes more sense than a standard raise.
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Dude your M is 10. I am taking the blinds or going to the flop with someone stupid enough to call with a weaker hand or a better one.
My point is this, if an A or K flops your probably getting it all in anyway right?
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04-23-2007, 06:23 PM
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I play the same, or push all in preflop depending on various factors.
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04-23-2007, 06:38 PM
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I see your point, put the ideal scenario in this case is someone with a hand I have dominated re-raises me all in. If I push all in preflop, hands like AJ, AQ, KQ are likely going to fold. Taking the blinds and increasing my stack by 9% doesnt do much for me.
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04-23-2007, 06:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bsidensol
I see your point, put the ideal scenario in this case is someone with a hand I have dominated re-raises me all in. If I push all in preflop, hands like AJ, AQ, KQ are likely going to fold. Taking the blinds and increasing my stack by 9% doesnt do much for me.
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You believe these players are good enough to fold those hands preflop to an all in raise? I dont think I have ever been in a home game with players that good...lol 
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04-23-2007, 07:42 PM
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You played it this way to see a flop. You saw a flop. You lost.
How to avoid that? Push it all-in.
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04-23-2007, 08:10 PM
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yes it was a bad play buy him, but with your stack in a home game you should of made it 500 or just push it all in, i dont know how your friends play.
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