33 on button with 2X big blind -- insta push?

**feint06** · 04-02-2007

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1600 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP2 (t1000)
MP3 (t3128)
CO (t8762)
Feint06 (t3552)
SB (t9392)
BB (t4270)
UTG (t771)
UTG+1 (t7190)
MP1 (t29160)

Preflop: Feint06 is Button with 3

, 3

.
2 folds, MP1 calls t1600, 1 fold, MP3 calls t1600, CO calls t1600, Feint06 raises to t3477, 2 folds, MP1 calls t1877, MP3 calls t1453 (All-In), CO calls t1877.

Flop: (t14084) J

, 9

, 6

(4 players, 1 all-in)
MP1 checks, CO checks.

Turn: (t14084) 7

(4 players, 1 all-in)
MP1 checks, CO bets t5210 (All-In), MP1 folds.

River: (t19294) 6

(3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t19294

Results in white below:
MP3 has Qs JavaScript (two pair, jacks and sixes).
CO has Jd Qh (flush, queen high).
Feint06 has 3s 3h (flush, jack high).
Outcome: CO wins t19294.

Could I have just folded this and waited for a better hand to take a stand with?

**Mr.McJ** · 04-02-2007

After 2 people limped, you have to fold. Obviously neither of them are going to fold (LOL @ MP3 limping with < 2BB) and you don't want to get all in with 33 vs 2 people (maybe 3 if the BB wants to play.) It's an insta-shove if no one else had entered the pot though.

**davidab157** · 04-02-2007

Yeah fold, you're on the button there's long enough until the blinds hit for you to pick up a high card and shove. You aren't in good shape in a 3-way pot (they aren't folding).

EDIT: 4-way pot not 3

**Eclipse86** · 04-02-2007

hmm, i actually beg to differ.. i actually like a push here as theres a TON of money already in the pot, and frankly I wouldnt mind pushing with 33 here getting such good odds on my money.

**davidab157** · 04-02-2007

Originally Posted by Eclipse86

hmm, i actually beg to differ.. i actually like a push here as theres a TON of money already in the pot, and frankly I wouldnt mind pushing with 33 here getting such good odds on my money.

I'm not sure of the exact odds (someone could look it up if they fancy it) but none of these guys are folding to your push and you're looking at 6 overcards or some overpairs. Are we not basically dominated if we get involved here?

**jo5** · 04-02-2007

I think it depends on the tourney. If your on the bubble then yes its an easy fold. But if theres say 100 left and 50 pay then i might be tempted to side with eclipse because your really going to have to gamble to get to the money if youve only got 2 BBs and your looking at a quadruple up should you get lucky.

**feint06** · 04-02-2007

Already in the money, but the next payout level is far enough away that I can't fold my way to it.

I could fold this hand, but I'm concerned with the antes and increasing blinds I won't be able to count on seeing maybe 2 or 3 more hands before getting switched tables and facing another big blind... At this point, I know I'm not analyzing very well after having dropped to the felt from 14th place chipstack in 15 minutes...

**SeanyBullets1** · 04-02-2007

This is a push with any two cards. LITERALLY any two. You got lucky to have a pair.

**Mr.McJ** · 04-03-2007

I'm not convinced that pushing here is right. When I was playing the $3 rebuy this past weekend, I was trying to play as tight and solid a game as I could. When the tournament started getting down to < 100 people, I found myself in this situation a few times and almost every time I took the conservative route and folded. I dont think I would have finished anywhere near as high as I did if I hadn't.

I'd much rather wait a hand or 2 and push something like K8s when it's folded around to me than get all in here.

**SeanyBullets1** · 04-03-2007

Even with the K8s, no one's folding to your min-raise type AI. I'd much rather have a pair and hope for a set than an easily dominated broadway.

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