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    Who likes this turn play at all? I am not sure specific read is actually that crucial as unless I have the guy pegged as a nit I would feel the same way about his line here. I am 100% happy with flop CR so no criticism of that please.

    I'll post my reasoning after responses.

    GAME #494740142: Texas Hold'em NL $0.50/$1.00 2007-03-05 00:39:25
    Table La Paz
    Seat 1: LivvaktFlyttAB ($96.50 in chips)
    Seat 2: 08an ($43.20 in chips)
    Seat 3: Dimpz ($109.25 in chips) DEALER
    Seat 4: DonkinItUp ($92.65 in chips) = Me!
    Seat 5: Hulios ($164.20 in chips)
    Seat 6: kekopoke ($112.80 in chips)
    Seat 8: romanok002 ($98.40 in chips)
    Seat 10: Tripoker2 ($101.40 in chips)
    DonkinItUp: Post SB $0.50
    Hulios: Post BB $1.00

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to DonkinItUp


    kekopoke: Fold
    romanok002: Fold
    Tripoker2: Fold
    LivvaktFlyttAB: Fold
    08an: Fold
    Dimpz: Raise $2.00 - Gay min raise!
    DonkinItUp: Call $1.50 - I could have repopped but I decide to call and CR any flop as I want to win a bigger pot when he cbets.
    Hulios: Fold

    *** FLOP ***


    DonkinItUp: Check
    Dimpz: Bet $5.00
    DonkinItUp: Raise $15.00
    Dimpz: Call $10.00

    *** TURN ***


    DonkinItUp: Check
    Dimpz: Bet $32.00
    DonkinItUp: Raise $75.65

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    hmmm.. does this guy always bet around the pot? I don't know if we have enough fold equity on the turn. I think he's callling with any pocket pair or 4 maybe a donk will come along with a high, people just dont give respect in blind/button battles.

    I'm thinking you have 15 live outs, you're about 2 to 1 to hit... what do you need him to fold about 30% of the time here to be profitable? I think you might get that, he could be playing two overcards here that he's willing to fold.
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    I don't like it. I'd raise or fold preflop. Sometimes, I just call with the same plan as you, but I seldom double check-raise. As played preflop, your flop play is too perfect to fire $30 at the turn. I just don't see him calling here. If you bet, he's either shoving a hand he'd shove your CR with or folding with a hand he'll check behind with a plan to call anything on the river. I don't see him betting $25-$35 here with the intention of folding to make the semibluff CR profitable unless you have a certain line of thinking that I take when I do double CR and I will say that this is the type of board that I'd do it with but only if that person knows I'm capable of a lot of CR's with air on the flop. But that turn card has a great scare factor to go along with your reaction to the minraise PF and flop line- enough to where I lead a vast majority of the time on the turn.
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    I didn't start off with the intention to check-raise the turn. If he bet 1/2 pot I would probably have called and if he had taken a while then bet 2/3 pot I might have even folded but when he just potted it straight away I felt that he really badly wanted me to fold and could easily have a hand as weak as A/K high here. That's why I gave myself quite a bit of fold equity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WotaWaster View Post
    I didn't start off with the intention to check-raise the turn. If he bet 1/2 pot I would probably have called and if he had taken a while then bet 2/3 pot I might have even folded but when he just potted it straight away I felt that he really badly wanted me to fold and could easily have a hand as weak as A/K high here. That's why I gave myself quite a bit of fold equity.
    This is the condition where I like it. It puts more in the pot in case he does call, but you've indicated that you've given up on the pot so there's no reason for him to make a big bet for value. It's a bet made that he doesn't mind making to steal because he's not committed to call in a spot where he knows you can't just call and when you do, he knows you're doing it to commit him to a shove on the river for value and he's folding anyway. Anything worth committing himself, he'd bet for value.
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    Bizzarely enough I actually manage to get called by a worse hand and take down a 200bb pot with J high. My opponent had 95o and felt commited to his open ender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WotaWaster View Post
    Bizzarely enough I actually manage to get called by a worse hand and take down a 200bb pot with J high. My opponent had 95o and felt commited to his open ender.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WotaWaster View Post
    My opponent had 95o and felt commited to his open ender.
    I stopped defending my blinds, for this exact reason.

    In the games that we like to join (high % to the flop, large avg pots) people just can't fold. So too many times, I would take a line that you did on that flop, or re-pop pf, then end up having my opponent call me down anyways in position with maybe a hand like KQ or A6s and call me down whenever they hit the board. Thats when I realized, it wasn't the play that was bad, it was the nature of the games that I joined, that made the play "not work".

    So many times, it would lead me into a bunch of sticky situations, where I had no idea were I was at. Anyways, it started happening so often, that I started losing money doing it, especially at the 5/10 game.
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