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About LinkBacksNo reads on the villain at all. He insta-shoved after my raise though.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed)
CO ($34.50)
Button ($14.55)
SB ($32.30)
BB ($53.80)
UTG ($48.75)
MP1 ($54.90)
Hero ($48.70)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with,
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2 folds, Hero raises to $2, 3 folds, BB calls $1.50.
Flop: ($4.25),
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(2 players)
BB bets $2, Hero raises to $6, BB raises to $51.8
Hero.......???
Results in white below:
Hero folds.
BB shows AT of clubs.
BB wins $62.05.
Good fold?
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02-28-2007 #1Stu Ungar
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I can only beat a bluff here, right?
I think I'm going to give up playing poker.........and take up repeatedly hitting myself in the nuts
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02-28-2007 #2Super Moderator
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I think you have to fold with no read. If he has a jack it is very unlikely to be with a kicker less than 7.
He could have QQ-AA and be a donk.
No flush draw possible and pushing an open ended straight draw on a paired board is not so likely here.
This is often a spot I find myself in when I first sit down in a game and then watch him do the same next hand and someone call with 2nd pair and say I'm glad I finally bust that idiot, he was pushing all in every hand and the rest of the table typing lol. Nothing you can do though.
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02-28-2007 #3Mike McDermott
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WTF is this donkey doing? I call because at this level I think you're ahead of his range. This could be happening with any pair or any jack but you're still very far ahead of his range.
Board: Jc 8d JavaScript
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 72.664% 68.04% 04.63% 53885 3664.50 { Jh9h }
Hand 1: 27.336% 22.71% 04.63% 17986 3664.50 { 88+, AJs, A8s, KJs, K8s, QJs, J7s+, AJo, A8o, KJo, K8o, QJo, J7o+ }BOSS
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02-28-2007 #4Super Moderator
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That's the horrible thing about these tables when a hand like that happens early in the session. My only advice would be to start a live tracker on a table 20 mins or so before you plan to join, that way a donk should be easier to spot.
In this case, I think you have to fold, if he's not bluffing there's very little you beat.For Free Money, Rakeback and some 6x Ongame bonuses, I recommend PokerSource.
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02-28-2007 #5Fish
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This is quite tough. But thinking about it I see donkeys make this play with flush/straight draws and big over pairs alot.
Obviously not having a read makes this hard and the kicker makes it very marginal, however I think I could discount AJ and KJ as I think he would have played it cuter with no flush draws on. With 88 he may have bet out on the flop(proberly more likely to check tho) but I think he would have just smooth called your raise so I think thats out.
So that just leaves QJ and 10J that I'm scared of. because of how agg he was and the way he played the hand it does not fit or seem right that he has a better Jack so I think I'm calling.
In cash games Iam pretty tight and I like to choose my spots carefully, I also hate calling huge over bets(especially preflop) as I like to wait for a spot where I can dictate the action. But here if he did have a Jack with a higher kicker I just dont think he would have played it quite the same way so I would have leant towards the call.
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02-28-2007 #6Super Moderator
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This is why even posting results in white is a bad idea McJ.
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02-28-2007 #7Fish
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Originally Posted by WotaWaster
This is why even posting results in white is a bad idea McJ.
Lol, maybe
Bluffing should tell a story and that story should fit. The huge over bet here does not fit so I would have been suspicious of a bluff or an over pair. I am far from saying that the call is easy but I proberly would have.
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02-28-2007 #8Stu Ungar
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Here's the thing though, a solid player makes the same play as the villain here with AJ/KJ or 88. I know I would. I've shown him that I've got a hand by raising PF and raising his bet on the flop. If he has a better J or the FH and figures I'm on an overpair, his push is a great play. Originally Posted by Chilli
Lol, maybe
Bluffing should tell a story and that story should fit. The huge over bet here does not fit so I would have been suspicious of a bluff or an over pair. I am far from saying that the call is easy but I proberly would have.
And David, I can't datamine using PT on stars.I think I'm going to give up playing poker.........and take up repeatedly hitting myself in the nuts
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02-28-2007 #9Chaser
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At least not from work you cantAnd David, I can't datamine using PT on stars.
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02-28-2007 #10Fish
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Yeah thats true and with no reads it again makes this hand tricky. Originally Posted by Mr.McJ
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