Eraly in a 33$ SNG
Blinds are 30/60
Only one player is out
I played only one hand and it was on the BB with no raise (i guess my image is pretty tight

BB with KQo
Bunch of limpers

Flop comes
K J 3

SB min bet WTF???
pot is 360
I raise the pot
A limper reraise all in
SB folds
I think and fold

Down to 1500 or so

Next hand
QcJc on SB

another bunch of limpers I complete

Flop come Kc Tc 6d
I check
A guys bet 200
2 callers
pot is 900

I push
one of the callers call again with K8???? WTF!!!!

No help I'm out...

Do you play it differently?
I know Steve will say to fold both PF!!!

KJ

Originally Posted by KINGJACK

I know Steve will say to fold both PF!!!

KJ

hmmm, sometime I'm more carefull than I need to be, but folding an unraised BB pf is a little too tight IMO.

Second hand, I may not have pushed the flop but would have at least called. Would have been tough folding anything on the turn, but if I had any chips left after missing the river I'd fold to a bet and come back to win the thing.

1st Hand was in the BB in an unraised pot. You played it perfect. No one's coming over the top of you with something you beat.

2nd Hand is interesting and it's something I've learned to adjust to in SNG's. In full honesty, at an aggressive table, this is a check/fold. At a weaker table, half potting to keep it small is fine, but the table's weak. They bet big and they're not going anywhere. They keep it small and you'll get a great price, not to mention that they good give you a free river.

Reason why I say that this is a check/fold is that this is a family pot seeing an action board. A King, A ten, 2 to a suit. If you think you can take this on the flop at 30/60, you're drinking too much while you play. It ain't happenin' and that's where your profit comes from. Not to mention that chasing draws of any sort OOP early in a SNG bleeds off chips that are worth more when you don't have them than they're worth were you to pick them up and add them to your stack considering the swing between the two.

Hard to say, but 3 things can happen. You can:

A.) Check/fold or check/call-small.
B.) Build a big pot and win.
C.) Build a big pot and lose.

The difference between A and C is your risk. The difference between A and B is your reward. I don't think that (B-A) is worth the great risk of (A-C) because (A-C) amounts to $0. (B-A) is slightly greater than A is real $$$, but not much considering it's a nearly full table. As a poker hand, you played it perfect. As a SNG hand, it was played with flawed logic because 50% you lose everything and when you win 50%, you can still very easily lose everything and the payouts just aren't big enough to handle this sort of variance.

I have stopped flicking in the chips with these hands in the SB in SNG family pots because every board you hit is gonna be a high-action board with a lot of people.

Originally Posted by the alex

1st Hand was in the BB in an unraised pot. You played it perfect. No one's coming over the top of you with something you beat.

2nd Hand is interesting and it's something I've learned to adjust to in SNG's. In full honesty, at an aggressive table, this is a check/fold. At a weaker table, half potting to keep it small is fine, but the table's weak. They bet big and they're not going anywhere. They keep it small and you'll get a great price, not to mention that they good give you a free river.

Reason why I say that this is a check/fold is that this is a family pot seeing an action board. A King, A ten, 2 to a suit. If you think you can take this on the flop at 30/60, you're drinking too much while you play. It ain't happenin' and that's where your profit comes from. Not to mention that chasing draws of any sort OOP early in a SNG bleeds off chips that are worth more when you don't have them than they're worth were you to pick them up and add them to your stack considering the swing between the two.

Hard to say, but 3 things can happen. You can:

A.) Check/fold or check/call-small.
B.) Build a big pot and win.
C.) Build a big pot and lose.

The difference between A and C is your risk. The difference between A and B is your reward. I don't think that (B-A) is worth the great risk of (A-C) because (A-C) amounts to $0. (B-A) is slightly greater than A is real $$$, but not much considering it's a nearly full table. As a poker hand, you played it perfect. As a SNG hand, it was played with flawed logic because 50% you lose everything and when you win 50%, you can still very easily lose everything and the payouts just aren't big enough to handle this sort of variance.

I have stopped flicking in the chips with these hands in the SB in SNG family pots because every board you hit is gonna be a high-action board with a lot of people.

I indeed thought about folding in the 2nd hand, but could I really lay it down... I know I'm favorite, the pot is already really good. I didnt want to play that draw OOP, thats why I pushed.

And, I have to admit... I thought I had some fold equity. Lets say 25%...

Nobody can really have AK or AA... a set would be relevant only for 66. KT is definitely a possibility, but only for the better... I think the callers would have raise with that holding. Most of the time if I have a call here, it will be a very loose call!

The only thing I forgot is that in stage 2 of a 33$ SNG... fishes are still on board! I'm really not used to play a lot of hands in the early stages of SNG and I think it killed me here... It may have been a folding situation... even if it was +EV regarding chips, it may be -EV regarding possibility to reach top 3!

I just did not recognize the situation...

Good reply Alex BTW TY and Thanks for all other replies too.

KJ