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    Default Bad beat did i do the wrong thing (newbie)

    I am quite new to Poker and i can't get my head round what happened to nite did i play wrong,i am playing a tourny at my local Casino there were 70 runners i am one off the final table i am 4th chip leader all other players above me have massive stacks ones below have next to 0 stack blinds are 2k 4k i am big blind delt 4,2 off suit a hand i would never usally play all fold except chip leader on our table who is small blind he just makes his blind up,flop is 4,3,7 all different suits turn check check turn is an 8 yet a differant suit so no danger river is a 4 i hit trips and push all in get called he also has trips but with a higer kicker what do you experts think.

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    hard to decipher :P..

    Blind sizes are a bit pointless without the stack size, ill assume u have a decent sized stack as your 4th..

    I take it your in the big blind. The check seems fine to me, if it was a really small stack completing, raising with any two cards would be reasonable as they will be scared of ft bubble and would *probably/hopefully* have shoved with a bigish hand to pick up the bb.

    On that flop I would put out a raise to his check a) to try and take down the pot as he's shown weakness up to now by just completing/checking (although completing puts him on hands that could have hit this flop, meaning the raise wouldnt be huge) and b) to find out where you are with your middle pair (once again meaning a decent but not huge bet).

    Playing the turn the same.

    Flop, AS YOU PLAYED IT, I am making a bet here, not a push as u arent shortstacked (assumed) and the pot is small, so just a value bet maybe 2/3ish the pot. As I would have played it, assuming he called my raises this far (which would be strange play), im going to bet again as I would have put him on a seven or an eight or even something like dueces. I mean, that hes just been calling me down with no draws out makes me suspicious but i can see him just completing pre with 77/88 so I would figure to be ahead. Not a push though and if he pushes over the top to my raise I MIGHT have laid them down but its vv. difficult to get away from ur set here where theres no possible flushes/straights on the board and him having a higher set is unlikely from preflop play..

    Thats just my opinion though, everybody plays different, but seems you were a bit too passive in the hand..
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    harty is right, without stack sizes it's hard to analyse fully.
    I also agree that I would have bet that flop, just to find out if your 4s are ahead.
    One question I have is what did the big stack do on the river, presumably he didn't check his trips to you?! If he bet it would be a tough decision between flat calling and raising (ur never folding this) but due to the circumstances and the fact you probably haven't reached the payout yet with a field of 70, a flat call would be fine here.

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    Thanks for the advice Guys to be honest i think if he had made a bet at some point i woud have folded,as 2 of the players would of been all in with the next hand on blinds. the type of plyer he was after watching his play i think if i would have bet the flop i think he would have called it,i think next time even if i have my big blind in i will muck 4,2.or just check it down.

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    I'd suggest you don't ever muck your BB when you can see a flop for free mate. Last night on a final table I called a min raise from my BB with 24s, flop came K22 and boom, I take down a big pot.
    So he checked the river then?
    In that case I'd put in a value bet of about half the pot and with guys in blind next hand would strongly consider folding to a re raise.

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    How many BB were in your stack at the start of the hand?

    If the pot was 16k on river and you pushed 120k all in then it is ridiculous play.

    If the pot was 16k and you pushed <20k all in then its just very bad luck.

    I would not bet a pair of 4s with a 2 kicker on the flop or turn either. Or raise preflop ever with such a junk hand.

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    yeah.. very bad push... not even happy about a flop bet..

    4th Chip leader - you had 30k to 100K?

    56 is a common completion - the srt8 would have got you.. any trip for the fh...

    Why push? whos going to call you?
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    welcome welcome!

    definitely need the stack sizes to look at this properly. depending on what kind of player the sb is i might bet the flop (only if he is very tight though) to see where i'm at or take it down while i can. most of the time though i try and see a VERY cheap showdown with what might well be the best hand.

    don't ever raise that preflop though!

    did he check the river to you? i'm not loving that river with 24, i'm definitely not putting my whole tourney on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidab157 View Post
    welcome welcome!

    definitely need the stack sizes to look at this properly. depending on what kind of player the sb is i might bet the flop (only if he is very tight though) to see where i'm at or take it down while i can. most of the time though i try and see a VERY cheap showdown with what might well be the best hand.

    don't ever raise that preflop though!

    did he check the river to you? i'm not loving that river with 24, i'm definitely not putting my whole tourney on it.

    I have been thinking about it all day to be honest on our table there was 5 players left who all folded so only the blinds were in plus a call on the small blind 4k i pushed in with 24k sb had about 26k so my thoughts were if i only bet 10k he would easly call with still a few chips for the final table but i knew
    the blinds on the final table were about to go up and would be 4k 8k which would not last long with 24k unless i doubled up and yes he did check to me,i should maybe have checked and lost my blind but hard to check with a set i was also trying to make him think i had a full house.

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    you can bet the river, but if the pot is 8k at that point i'd go for something around 5k, don't push. you're risking 24k for 8k which ain't good and he only calls if he beats you so there's really no gain. if he raises your bet it'll be all in and then you can fold (unless you've got a good read on him).

    btw those are really low stacks for those blinds before the final table especially if you were 4th in chips.
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