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  1. #1
    Poker Expert wastrel's Avatar
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    Default Did I really have to?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    saw flop|saw showdown

    MP2 (t4255)
    CO (t1410)
    Button (t1200)
    SB (t1470)
    BB (t2720)
    wastrel (t1390)
    MP1 (t1755)

    Preflop: wastrel is UTG with J, J.
    wastrel raises to t90, 3 folds, Button raises to t240, 2 folds, wastrel raises to t1390, Button calls t960 (All-In).

    Flop: (t2635) 3, 5, Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Turn: (t2635) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: (t2635) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: t2635

    Results in white below:
    wastrel has Jc Jh (one pair, jacks).
    Button has Kh Kd (one pair, kings).
    Outcome: Button wins t2445. wastrel wins t190.


    Should I have smooth called PF?
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    I'd raise it to 150 PF and then think about just smooth calling a reraise. Of course if the flop is low your going broke anyway.

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    If I were re-raised from one of the blinds this early, I'd just call, but out of position, I'd push or fold depending really on how frisky I feel. Usually, I'm frisky enough, though that could be totally wrong.
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    I limp with JJ and play for set value.

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    Me and Wota had a conversation about how hard JJ is to play OOP in a tournament, or any game really. I limp UTG. You have more information. He clearly then raises. You re pop. He probably pushes and you fold. Only way I see you getting away really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shalesey_boy View Post
    Me and Wota had a conversation about how hard JJ is to play OOP in a tournament, or any game really. I limp UTG. You have more information. He clearly then raises. You re pop. He probably pushes and you fold. Only way I see you getting away really.
    Agreed.

    Either way you're losing quite a bit of money on that hand unless you play ridiculously passive. If i raise it I raise a bit more up to 120-150 but as played i flat call his repop and see a flop, if its a low one you're in trouble, if there's overs you can get away cheapish.
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    Better cards, but completely different situation.

    Would a call be better here?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

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    UTG (t7140)
    Hero (t6030)
    MP1 (t1360)
    MP2 (t805)
    CO (t5670)
    Button (t3260)
    SB (t1150)
    BB (t1585)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q, Q.
    UTG raises to t300, Hero raises to t900, MP1 raises to t1360, 5 folds, UTG raises to t1960, Hero raises to t6030, UTG calls t4070.

    Flop: (t13645) 3, 9, 9 (3 players)

    Turn: (t13645) T (3 players)

    River: (t13645) A (3 players)

    Final Pot: t13645

    Results in white below:
    UTG has Ac Kd (two pair, aces and nines).
    Hero has Qc Qd (two pair, queens and nines).
    MP1 has 6h 6d (two pair, nines and sixes).
    Outcome: UTG wins t13645.
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    UTGs play is V donkish but you have to respect his bet. There is even an arguemnt to fold after the raise to $1960. There are only 2 people who can bust you or near bust you on the table. Try to avoid massive confruntations when they show great strength. You are scared of AA, KK and AK here. The way he is raising puts him on one of those 3 hands. I wait for a better spot.
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    The only difference for me with QQ compared to JJ is that I will open raise UTG with QQ and call most reraises. Im usually not inclined to push all in with it unless ive got a significant read like im up against AQ more likely than AK.

    With this hand, I call UTGs 2nd raise preflop since he has already made a raise (albeit it a minimum one!) which has been reraised twice and then hes still further reraised probably to push you out of the pot.

    I then reevaluate the flop.

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    I really couldn't help myself on this one, had to try it one more time.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

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    MP2 (t1550)
    MP3 (t1450)
    CO (t2990)
    Button (t1500)
    SB (t30)
    BB (t1500)
    Hero (t1500)
    UTG+1 (t1480)
    MP1 (t1500)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, J.
    Hero raises to t100, 1 fold, MP1 calls t100, MP2 raises to t180, 3 folds, SB calls t20 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero raises to t1500, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t1320.

    Flop: (t3150) J, 8, 7 (3 players, 1 all-in)

    Turn: (t3150) A (3 players, 1 all-in)

    River: (t3150) T (3 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: t3150

    Results in white below:
    SB has 4c Jd (one pair, jacks).
    Hero has JavaScript Jc (three of a kind, jacks).
    MP2 has 3s Qh (high card, ace).
    Outcome: Hero wins t3150.
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