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    Stu Ungar Mr.McJ's Avatar
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    Default The Dreaded River Overbet

    In the 20 hands leading up to this one, I had been pretty aggressive. I was hitting a lot of hands but I hadn't gone to showdown in awhile so from my opponents perspective it could have looked like I was getting a little out of line. I've played with the villain before and as far as I can tell he seems to be a pretty solid player. Other than that, I don't really know too much about him.



    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed)

    MP1 ($244.20)
    MP2 ($85.80)
    CO ($134.15)
    Hero ($148.90)
    SB ($62.90)
    BB ($73)
    UTG ($90)
    UTG+1 ($130.10)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
    4 folds, CO calls $1, Hero calls $1, SB completes, BB checks.

    Flop: ($4) , , (4 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, CO bets $3, Hero raises to $9, SB folds, BB folds, CO calls $6.

    Turn: ($22) (2 players)
    CO checks, Hero bets $12, CO calls $12.

    River: ($46) (2 players)
    CO checks, Hero bets $18, CO raises to $112.15

    Hero........???



    Results in white below:
    Hero folds.
    CO doesn't show but...
    CO claims to have had QJ for a split pot.
    Outcome: CO wins $176.15.
    I think I'm going to give up playing poker.........and take up repeatedly hitting myself in the nuts

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    It's a tough one, I don't give him credit for an ace or a flush, the flop play wouldn't make sense and he probably raises AQ pf. In saying that AJ could be possible but unlikely imo.

    Haven't read the result but reckon he's got 55, busted fd or qj for the split. A very difficult call, i'd be tempted to let it go without a good read.
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    your piss bet on the river shows your weak

    poorly played

    i pop the pot on the turn if he calls my pot sized bet i need a river card to help. if he has k10 s00ted so be it but. I see maybe kq , straight or a set of 5s...that being said im not sure i call because of the tough spot we were put in.....

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    I've read this about 3 times and keep writing a reply assuming you were first to speak! Anyway think I can read now....

    I think I check this and see what happens. It's a small hand and you want to keep the pot relatively small. If you bet and get raised, you're in trouble. there's not many hands you beat calling this (not that fit the flop play anyway) so I don't think any bet here is worthwhile.

    I don't think he has K10, can't see him checking the river and risking a check behind (hero has fired twice and could easily check it down). With K10 i reckon he value bets it for $20 or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by obga View Post
    your piss bet on the river shows your weak

    poorly played

    i pop the pot on the turn if he calls my pot sized bet i need a river card to help. if he has k10 s00ted so be it but. I see maybe kq , straight or a set of 5s...that being said im not sure i call because of the tough spot we were put in.....
    Something tells me the villain was C/R-ing the river regardless of the size of my bet.
    I think I'm going to give up playing poker.........and take up repeatedly hitting myself in the nuts

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    who checks the turn here?

    I might, because hands like KT, AQ, AJ, 555, i dunno, that turn card isnt so great for you, I would check the turn sometimes here and then call a river bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.McJ View Post
    Something tells me the villain was C/R-ing the river regardless of the size of my bet.

    then why bet? why let him make the play?
    if you're beat, then its a wasted bet.
    if you're ahead with 2 pair on an ugly board like that, then you more than likely won't get the payoff.
    if you're ahead and the villian pushes with a bluff, can you call?
    why not just check and see for sure what the villain had? its not a lot of info but i'm sure it would come in handy a few orbits later.
    f*cking it up for everyone else since 1969.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VGrozny View Post
    then why bet? why let him make the play?
    if you're beat, then its a wasted bet.
    if you're ahead with 2 pair on an ugly board like that, then you more than likely won't get the payoff.
    if you're ahead and the villian pushes with a bluff, can you call?
    why not just check and see for sure what the villain had? its not a lot of info but i'm sure it would come in handy a few orbits later.
    I didn't realise he was going for the C/R until he did it. Unfortunately it wasn't until it was too late that I actually figured out his plan, lol.
    I think I'm going to give up playing poker.........and take up repeatedly hitting myself in the nuts

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    flop you bet 3/4 pot
    turn half the pot
    river then nearly 2/5th the pot, ms.mcj from now on

    i do like the check the turn idea for a river bluff by the villian and keeping the pot small If you dont want to be put in this situation

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    Quote Originally Posted by obga View Post
    flop you bet 3/4 pot
    turn half the pot
    river then nearly 2/5th the pot, ms.mcj from now on

    i do like the check the turn idea for a river bluff by the villian and keeping the pot small If you dont want to be put in this situation
    Honestly, I'm not sure what my line of thinking was when I made the river bet. I guess it was a value bet with a back door.
    I think I'm going to give up playing poker.........and take up repeatedly hitting myself in the nuts

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