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  1. #1
    River Rat ajrees's Avatar
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    Default Would you make this call?

    On the bubble in a $5 SNG tournament. We had been playing with the
    final four players for almost half an hour. I obviously wanted to WIN, not
    just make the money. The Villain was a loose player who had played a lot
    of rubbish hands throughout the tourney.

    This was probably a marginal call. If anything, I think I should have
    played my pair aggressively and pushed all-in. However, the big stack
    after me had been playing very aggressively, pushing all-in frequently to
    steal the blinds and get people off the hand PF. If he had any sort of decent
    hand, he would probably call and I would only be a slight favourite.
    Based on that information, maybe the best thing to do was fold?????

    Anyway, just wondering what you people think about this hand.


    Poker Room skin
    No Limit Holdem Tournament
    Blinds: t200/t400
    4 players
    Converter

    Stack sizes:
    ajrees: t3.385
    Button: t6.450
    SB: t2.140
    BB: t3.025

    Pre-flop: (4 players) ajrees is UTG with
    ajrees calls t400 (pot was t600), Button folds, SB raises to t1.94, BB folds, ajrees calls t1.74 (pot was t601.94).

    Flop: (t403.88, 2 players)


    Turn: (t403.88, 2 players)


    River: (t403.88, 2 players)


    Results:
    Final pot: t403.88
    SB bet 2.140 collected 4.680 net 2.540 shows Kh 5c
    ajrees lost 2.140 shows 4s 4c


    The runner-runner straight was quite painful
    Last edited by ajrees; 01-10-2007 at 04:36 AM.

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    Open raise or don't play the hand at all.
    I think I'm going to give up playing poker.........and take up repeatedly hitting myself in the nuts

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    I agree, do not open limp a small pocket pair in the bubble of a STT. When playing in bubble mode you want to aqcuire chips without putting your stack at risk in a showdown. In simple terms this means you want to steal blinds from the others in a more efficient manner than your opposition. What you want to avoid doing is taking coinflips and putting your place in the money in jeopardy. You should be the one putting the others all in, not the other way around.

    However, the big stack
    after me had been playing very aggressively, pushing all-in frequently to
    steal the blinds and get people off the hand PF.
    This is perfect strategy for this point in a STT, you should be pushbotting all your semi decent holdings, and folding all your average holdings to other people's pushbotting.

    By open limping you are inviting someone to steal your money because you simply cannot call in this situation. When someone pushes you all in and you have pocket 4's you are at best a coinflip (he has 2 overcards) and at worst a 4-1 underdog (he has a higher pocket pair).

    Worse still, by open limping with this hand you allow the BB to play perfect poker against you. He will raise and call your bets on flops when he outdraws you and he can check and fold on flops that you lead. This means that you have breached the fundament theorem of poker (that you make a mistake when you allow people to play as if your cards were face up).

    Also, take the situation where you limp 44, all fold to BB who checks.
    Flop comes down QT8, and he makes a pot sized bet. What do you do in this situation? you could very well be ahead but there is absolutely no way of knowing so you have to fold.

    You obviously can't play your 4's for set value here because the stacks are so short compared to the blinds, Your M is under 6 so you can't be limping with pocket pairs ans suited connectors hoping to flop something big.

    In short, what you should have done is pushed all in preflop, (or folded preflop - I would guess the EV is about nuetral) there is a very strong chance that the big stack will fold and your M will increase by 1.

    As played fold to the push.

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    Im'allin preflop. 44 is nuts and BB and SB are afraid.
    Could god microwave a burrito so hot, that he himself could not eat it?

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    You're in push/fold. Push preflop, so he can't push.
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    Thanks for the replies guys.

    I was thinking of pushing, but then decided not to. Afterwards, I realised
    my mistake.

    I feel like i am slowly getting the hang of bubble play, but there is
    still some way to go. These topics have really been helping.

    Keep up the good work!

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