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    Stu Ungar obga's Avatar
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    Default ive gotten really good at these hands

    understanding the stack sizes and their bet sizes have increased my play tremendously so these hands are getting easier to play

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    saw flop|saw showdown

    CO (t4955)
    Button (t1500)
    SB (t915)
    Hero (t1855)
    UTG (t1660)
    UTG+1 (t890)
    MP1 (t530)
    MP2 (t1195)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with K, Q.
    UTG raises to t450, 6 folds, Hero raises to t1500, UTG raises to t1660, Hero calls t160.

    Flop: (t3395) 5, 8, T (2 players)

    Turn: (t3395) Q (2 players)

    River: (t3395) 5 (2 players)

    Final Pot: t3395

    Results in white below:
    Hero has Ks Qs (flush, king high).
    UTG has 9h 9c (two pair, nines and fives).
    Outcome: Hero wins t3395.

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    fold preflop, you were lucky this was a coinflip as i think you are dominated by AK or AQ a lot.

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    no i wasnt, if i was he would push more, these donkeys dont wawnt to commit their chips with medium hands so they raise in hopes of taking it down preflop

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    Quote Originally Posted by obga View Post
    if i was he would push more
    i don't even know wtf this mean. raise to a larger amount you mean? raising to 3x BB is INCREDIBLY standard, you think he doesn't do that with AK there? you're behind to Ax a huge amount of time if you push here. FOLD

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    ...god i cant wait to play you

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    Quote Originally Posted by obga View Post
    ...god i cant wait to play you
    i will play you headsup anytime

    what is so wrong with my advice anyway? try thinking about your raising range from under the gun....it's way ahead of KQs, no?
    Last edited by rebelutopian; 01-06-2007 at 07:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rebelutopian View Post
    i will play you headsup anytime

    what is so wrong with my advice anyway? try thinking about your raising range from under the gun....it's way ahead of KQs, no?
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    i think making these plays in early in a tournament is -ev. First cause i know you weren't hoping for a call cause that'd mean you were probabley beat in this situation. The only reason you did call his all in cause you were pot committed. Your play was to take the pot down right there hoping he was raising a weak ace or maybe a kj at best. If you thought it was a race situation you won't see as many deep tounry finishes cause your risking your stack in marginal situations too early. My theory in tournaments is to see as many flops as possible.. control the pot size.. keep them small when you have nothing and big when you have sumthing. that means seeing flops and staying away from marginal situations like this one
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    The worst thing you can do here is flat call his raise so i'm glad you didn't do that. Personally I fold though, it's by no means late in the tourney and the M's are reasonable and you're not desperate to get involved in the sng crazy crapshoot (it's not quite "push any high card" time yet). He could quite easily be making this play with hands that dominate you, and any ace (which fish like to play all the time) or pp (except 22-44) is ahead in a race.

    I don't think it's really that wrong to put in a raise as you SHOULD have good fold equity with the back up of a decent hand should he go with you. But how many 'donkies' are gonna lay the hand down after they raise UTG? Not many imo, so I think the FE goes and that's why I fold here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidab157 View Post
    The worst thing you can do here is flat call his raise so i'm glad you didn't do that. Personally I fold though, it's by no means late in the tourney and the M's are reasonable and you're not desperate to get involved in the sng crazy crapshoot (it's not quite "push any high card" time yet). He could quite easily be making this play with hands that dominate you, and any ace (which fish like to play all the time) or pp (except 22-44) is ahead in a race.

    I don't think it's really that wrong to put in a raise as you SHOULD have good fold equity with the back up of a decent hand should he go with you. But how many 'donkies' are gonna lay the hand down after they raise UTG? Not many imo, so I think the FE goes and that's why I fold here.
    a solid player is not raising over a quarter of his stack from UTG and then folding to a push. and as you said, donks certainly don't fold, so i think hero has pretty much zero FE.

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