Flopping a set with straight or flush draw on board.

[feint06]

Twice tonight I was dealt pocket Kings. The table is very loose 1/2 NL, typical preflop raise is 7, but 10 and 15 are somewhat common.


Hand 1:

I'm on BB, 8 people limp in (10 seat table) and I bump it up to $15. 4 Callers. ($65 pot after the drop)



Flop:

K 10 4 (rainbow)

small blind checks, I go all-in for another $75... 2 callers



Turn:

8 (same suit as K)

Both callers check...



River:

J (different suit)

No flush on board, small blind goes all-in for $400. 1 fold (shows a couple low cards of the same suit as the K and 8)


Small blind: AQ for the nut straight...





I rebuy for $30, build my stack back to ~$200...
Hand 2:

I'm just before the button with KK. UTG straddles with a live $10. 6 callers. I raise to $25. Button folds, and all the initial callers call...


Flop:

K(c) 6(s) 8(c)

Board checks to me. I go all in for ~$175... 4 callers -- 1 goes all-in for another $10...

Turn:
2(c)

Board checks

River:
Q(d)

Big-stack raises $100, 1 fold. (2 all-in)


Big stack shows 3c, 4c for the flush
2nd all-in shows Ac, 5c for the nut flush...


I go home to bitch to you all





So, am I playing these hands incorrectly? The only thing I can think of is raising more preflop, but it wouldn't have kept that AQ donkey out and she would still have chased the gutshot all the way...

Bigstack gets bored and plays bad hands just for the rush, and the player with the A-5 of clubs plays pretty solidly (and got great pot-odds by the time he made the call)



PS: My bankroll is currently $900, I'm typically buying in for $30-$40. I'll only rebuy once per night, otherwise I seem to tilt it all away...
Am I playing above my bankroll? Should I be buying in for more given the loose table? ($200 max buy-in though, I was over that for the 2nd hand)

[ajrees]

I think that the post-flop play (pushing all-in) is the right thing to do in
both cases, but a larger raise PF would have been better.

It sounds like you had way less money/chips then everyone else????

[feint06]

I think that the post-flop play (pushing all-in) is the right thing to do in
both cases, but a larger raise PF would have been better.

It sounds like you had way less money/chips then everyone else????

Half of the table (the regulars) seem to be at or above the $200 max buy-in. And then a number of people buy in for 20-60 and quickly find that they're getting raised $10 preflop -- losing their chips rather quickly.


I *think* my best strategy for chip count is to buy-in for amounts I can lose repeatedly without feeling it too bad, and just make sure I get my chips in when the odds are with me (and cash out frequently enough when I'm up to limit my losses). I tried buying in for $200 a couple of times and would go way up, and then way down. I definitely wasn't comfortable making pot-odd calls with that kind of money...

[WotaWaster]

I'm just before the button with KK. UTG straddles with a live $10. 6 callers. I raise to $25. Button folds, and all the initial callers call...

Someone is allowed to stradddle for $10 in a $1/$2 game? I thought the straddle could only be $4.

If it was a $10 straddle and had been called in 6 places there was $73 in the pot. A $25 raise here is terrible. You should push $200 all in really. If everyone folds and you pick up 36BB unchallenged that's a great result. If 1 person calls with anything other than AA it's also a great result. If you make this small raise and everyone cals you are asking for trouble.

[davidab157]

Someone is allowed to stradddle for $10 in a $1/$2 game? I thought the straddle could only be $4.

If it was a $10 straddle and had been called in 6 places there was $73 in the pot. A $25 raise here is terrible. You should push $200 all in really. If everyone folds and you pick up 36BB unchallenged that's a great result. If 1 person calls with anything other than AA it's also a great result. If you make this small raise and everyone cals you are asking for trouble.

Yeah i'm sure a straddle could only be up to $4 but hey. Post flop I think you played fine, you got your money in with the best hand which is all you can ask really. The AQ gutshot chaser will frustrate you but for every 1 they win you'll win alot more.

Agree about the preflop raises they have to be bigger. I like the 4bb + 1 per limper raise but when its straddled you need to push there and then. You don't want any more than 2 opponents if you're gonna see a flop with kings (1 ideally).

[jharding666]

I agree with Wota, I'm pushing all in PF with the Kings in that 2nd hand.

Unlucky on both hands

[shalesey_boy]

I would personally never buy in for the minimum. If you are ever uncomfortable putting in all of your buy in ($200) when you think you have the best of it you are playing too high. I personally think $200 max with a $900 bank roll is way too high.

I have experience in bad bank roll management. The worst kind. You know you're at the right level when you get stacked for a full buy in and the first thing you think is was my decision good. If you thought it was then you're cool with the stacking. Re buy and move on to the next hand. If you are completely gutted you just lost a full buy in then you're too high.