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Old 12-16-2006, 06:11 AM
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The BB in this case is pretty laggy with a big emphasis on the aggy part. The hand right before this one he donked off a lot of chips with AQ UTG. So I figured there was a chance he was tilting a bit and therefore his pushing range was quite wide.




PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed)

Button (t1675)
SB (t6060)
BB (t1850)
UTG (t3300)
Hero (t4225)
MP1 (t1870)
MP2 (t5480)
MP3 (t2545)
CO (t2930)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with , .
1 fold, Hero raises to t300, 2 folds, MP3 calls t300, 2 folds, SB calls t250, BB raises to t1850, Hero raises to t4225, MP3 calls t2245 (All-In), SB folds.

Flop: (t8920) , , (3 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t8920) (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t8920) (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t8920

Results in white below:
BB has Ad Ac (full house, aces full of threes).
Hero has Td Th (two pair, tens and threes).
MP3 has Ah Qs (two pair, aces and threes).
Outcome: BB wins t8920.
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Old 12-16-2006, 06:48 AM
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Not a terrible push but I would have rather folded this. Ok there is a chance that he could have an underpair but you also need to consider that someone has already called your EP raise and so (theoretically) he must be holding a fairly premium hand also.
TT is the sort of hand I'd rather be getting my chips in first with rather than being 2nd in. I also agree with loz, I would have limped and called a small raise. You would have DEFINITELY got away from that flop!
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Old 12-16-2006, 07:26 AM
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Not a terrible push but I would have rather folded this. Ok there is a chance that he could have an underpair but you also need to consider that someone has already called your EP raise and so (theoretically) he must be holding a fairly premium hand also.
To me, the call from MP3 means weakness, not strength. And I was right too, MP3 had no business calling my all in and I think raising to isolate the BB wasn't such a bad play since I have him on 22+/AT+.
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Old 12-16-2006, 07:51 AM
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9 handed and at this stage of tournament I would probably limp PF UTG and UTG+1 with pairs up to JJ and play for trips.

I just feel here that if there is no reraise from BB you are then OOP in a multiway raised pot with TT.

If an overcard falls do you
bet/fold to raise - this can cost you maybe 800 chips.
check-fold - why raise cos you will see an overcard I guess 70% of times
check-call - spewing chips long term

To be honest even if you hit the best flop which doesnt contain a 10 such as 762 you are not that likely to stack someone with 88 or 99 and it is possible someone has flat called your raise with JJ/QQ anyway and you go bust.

Just my thoughts, people may think I'm too passive.
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Old 12-16-2006, 09:37 AM
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The BB in this case is pretty laggy with a big emphasis on the aggy part. The hand right before this one he donked off a lot of chips with AQ UTG. So I figured there was a chance he was tilting a bit and therefore his pushing range was quite wide.


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knowing this its a pretty hard fold.

otherwise i would probably fold.
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Old 12-16-2006, 09:41 AM
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Villain had a PF raise percentage of 22% over 50 hands and a VP$P of close to 30%, plus there was a good chance he was tilting.
I'm not really questioning the push against the BB, I think I can justify that. I'm more concerned with how I should have let the calls from MP3 and the SB affect my decision.
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Old 12-16-2006, 11:05 AM
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I don't think you can put them on a higher pair - certainly not the 2nd caller of what was only a 3bb raise. They most likely have 22-88, AQ/AJ type hands I think.
Maybe some would call with JJ or be donkish and try to trap with AA/KK but I think if you are happy to play against the BB (which given the situation you should be), then you should push through them.
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Old 12-16-2006, 11:07 AM
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With your read on BB, I'd call. If the stack sizes were reversed, it'd be a tough fold, but I do it when I'm not playing bad.
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Old 12-16-2006, 11:20 AM
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mp3 and sb are just dead money in the pot and make your push even better. if they cant 3bet pf you have to think you are ahead of them most of the time.

i love to squeeze with like 99/tt when a donk open raises and it goes call, call, call, call, its just dead money in the pot for the taking.
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