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Old 12-11-2006, 12:03 PM
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Default Can I get away from this?

Having problems with the hand converters from UB history but I've done my best to make it readable. No specific reads on anyone at the table but from the play I did see none of them looked particularly clued up on omaha (neither am I though!).

What i want to know is can I possibly get away from this hand? Or should I have bet differently?

Hand #37040339-10567 at Nacka (Pot Limit Omaha)
Started at 11/Dec/06 15:17:28

UTG+2 is at seat 0 with $26.30.
UTG+3 is at seat 1 with $12.05.
davidab157 is at seat 2 with $24.90.
MP is at seat 3 with $18.45.
villain is at seat 4 with $15.20.
Button is at seat 5 with $14.25.
SB is at seat 6 with $49.65.
BB is at seat 7 with $14.75.
UTG is at seat 8 with $27.40.
UTG+1 is at seat 9 with $9.40.
The button is at seat 5.

sm3615 posts the small blind of $.10.
jdoggy1 posts the big blind of $.25.

PAhatma: -- -- -- --
The_Paladin: -- -- -- --
davidab157: 9c 9s Kd 4c
Para64: -- -- -- --
diceman369: -- -- -- --
maryeeeee: -- -- -- --
sm3615: -- -- -- --
jdoggy1: -- -- -- --
8dewdew: -- -- -- --
fitchhottie: -- -- -- --

Pre-flop:

UTG folds. UTG+1 folds. UTG+2 folds.
UTG+3 folds. davidab157 calls. MP folds.
villain calls. button calls. SB folds.
BB checks.

Flop (board: Kh Js Kc):

BB checks.
davidab157 bets $1.
villain calls.
button folds.
BB folds.

Turn (board: Kh Js Kc Jc):

davidab157 checks.
villain bets $1.25.
davidab157 raises to $5.
villain goes all-in for
$13.95. davidab157 calls.

River (board: Kh Js Kc Jc Qh):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

villain shows Jh Ks Jd 7d.
villain has Jh Jd Kh Js Jc: four jacks.
davidab157 mucks cards.
(davidab157 has 9c 9s Kd 4c.)



Hand #37040339-10567 Summary:

$1.55 is raked from a pot of $31.
villain wins $29.45 with four jacks.
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Old 12-11-2006, 12:16 PM
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Seriously fold preflop. Very weak hand.

Look for starting hands which are more coordinated such as:

AKQT
9987 with at least one suited
A8s76

I am a (very) tight Omaha player but I would regularly fold QQxx or even KKxx.
Playing that hand there you are essentially looking for only a 9 high flop (9 high flush or flush draw is garbage in Omaha as is a king or even trip kings with a 9 kicker.).

In addition 99 can never be the nuts by even the turn (unless you hit quads)since if there are 3 undercards a straight will be possible.
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Old 12-11-2006, 12:28 PM
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Thanks for that. figured my call pf was a bit loose but it was the 99 that dragged me in. What hands are you looking for before you raise preflop and is it a case of don't bluff when you miss the flop, as opposed to holdem where a cb will often take the pot?
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Old 12-11-2006, 01:01 PM
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I think you can get away from this, he has to at least have you outkicked, as it turned out he had the nuts. I probably just call his bet on the turn and if he's a donk I'll call another on the river.
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Old 12-11-2006, 02:21 PM
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Probably not worth listening to me unless you want to be a super super tight player (this only applies to 9 handed).

I will raise with hands like:
- AAKQ, AAJT, AAK9ds

- Any four broadway cards if at least 1 suited, preferably 2

- 5678+ looking to flop a megawrap draw, again if (double) suited its a sronger hand. Although if you flop just a 9 high flush draw its a check fold. Your suits main value comes as either a backdoor flush draw or a redraw.

E.g holding 5678 the flop is 456 with 2 diamonds, you may get all in with someone else holding 78 and have a guaranteed split + 35% chance of winning whole pot.

Like I said I am super tight but I will fold a hand unless all 4 cards work together. Eg I will always muck hands like KKT3, AK78, QQ45, AKT5
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Old 12-11-2006, 02:22 PM
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It is sometimes worth c-betting if you have raised especially if an A flops cos most people will put you on AAxx when you raise anyway, however I would advise to initially bluff very little.
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