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    Poker Expert wastrel's Avatar
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    Default Badly played, or pretty standard?

    Stats on villain after 33 hands 36.4/9.1/2.67. I had been pushed off of two mid-sized pots post flop in the last orbit, he may have smelled blood in the water.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    MP1 (t8540)
    MP2 (t3840)
    MP3 (t12280)
    Hero (t5615)
    Button (t9045)
    SB (t8255)
    BB (t6650)
    UTG (t12225)
    UTG+1 (t4710)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 8, 8.
    3 folds, MP2 calls t100, 1 fold, Hero raises to t300, 2 folds, BB calls t200, MP2 calls t200.

    Flop: (t950) J, K, 4 (3 players)
    BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets t650, BB folds, MP2 raises to t3540, Hero folds.

    Final Pot: t5140
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    Considering what you had said about being pushed off other flops, I'd check this one. Your vulnerability to being check raised is high with any 2 cards and there's no way you're calling a check raise.

    I would have raised more PF to try and either take the pot down there or make it HU.

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    harding has no clue


    your 3x pf raise is weak

    raise 400-600

    then you bet weak on the flop

    good lay down if your beat, bad lay down if they sniffd you might be weak..

    edit though
    mp2 could of been looking to stack someone with ak or kk
    Last edited by obga; 12-10-2006 at 01:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obga View Post
    harding has no clue


    your 3x pf raise is weak

    raise 400-600

    then you bet weak on the flop

    good lay down if your beat, bad lay down if they sniffd you might be weak..

    edit though
    mp2 could of been looking to stack someone with ak or kk
    That PF raise you recommend being because a limper is already in, or regardless?

    2/3 pot bet on flop bad? Do you pot it here?
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    yeah its only 200 more to call

    thats what peoples reasonings are

    make it more expensive, you really wanna take this down pf (because of the action on the flop)- so for them to call 400-600 more probably will warrant more folds

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    I dont know what those stats mean.

    However if he is chasing you off hands and judging by his stack size I am going to venture a guess and say he is a LAG thats been called and that would explain his chip count. Could be wrong.

    With the LAG in I am limping in to the flop. Marginal pair and a change of pre-flop play because I am sure you raised with pairs any other time throughout the tourney.

    I give the LAGs all the control they want waiting to smoke him a hand I think is the winner.

    Limping in also makes me less commttted to my marginal pair here against LAG. Tough fold now because you want to make a stand and may in fact have the winner, but a limp followed by a check on the flop allows an easier fold with more of your stack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loz View Post
    I dont know what those stats mean.
    VP$P - 36.4
    PF Raise - 9.1
    Post Flop Agg Factor - 2.67

    Not too laggy, but kinda. My post flop agg blows him out of the water, I was around 5.5 at this point. Can't put too much stock in stats in tourneys though.

    Also, it wasn't him who chased me off of the other pots, it was MP3.

    I supposed I could have limped PF, but I don't like limping with 77+ this late, I'll definitely limp with smaller PP for set value.

    Quote Originally Posted by obga
    make it more expensive, you really wanna take this down pf (because of the action on the flop)- so for them to call 400-600 more probably will warrant more folds
    I'll give bigger PF raises a try in these spots. My overall strategy has been to keep the pots small to mid-sized PF, and then put the pressure on post flop. Works very well in early stages of these 5 table sngs, but my end game may need to change. I cash consistently (21%), win them around 3% of the time, but my ROI is only around 12% for these types.

    Thanks all for the good feedback.
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    he does seem like a tight player so when a tight player calls any kind of raise red flags should go off..

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    I don't see any reason to raise 88 PF there at this stage of the tournament.
    Play for set value.

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    yeah your table is pretty deep stacked, id go for the set.
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