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Old 12-08-2006, 10:50 AM
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What do you do pre-flop/ on the flop here?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
2 folds, CO raises to t200, Hero raises to t500, 2 folds, CO calls t300.

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if you are going to raise, dont raise so much that you give yourself a tough decision postflop. you raised too little.

as played, you are comitted. you have fold equity, probably have the best hand, and have outs if you are called. as played you have to shove, its about a potsized bet right?

edit: fyi you essentialy minraised him.
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Old 12-08-2006, 11:25 AM
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Pre-flop I don't put much faith in AQo. That's just me. I am cold calling pre-flop and playing post flop. By raising to 500 he is committed with 1/3 of his chips leaving him 10BBs. He's committed. Here is how I would play it after the fact.

I would think by his raise he has middle or small pair, or possibly Ax suited due to his position. An even lower possibility would be middle to high suited connectors. I bet half the pot to see if the king scares him. If he comes over top I count my losses and get him next time, if he cold calls I try to outplay him on the turn with a check raise or push with any pair or draw and pray he believes me.

This is assuming the player is weak.

Other possibility is he had a good pair and wanted action. With the folds around him he couldn't bet too big. Making good odds for BB to play.

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Old 12-08-2006, 11:27 AM
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edit: fyi you essentialy minraised him.
I suppose, only t200 above minimum. I wanted to save myself some chips if he pushed after my raise. There were times when I would just push this after his min-raise, but I was always getting called by low/mid/high pocket pairs. I guess I should be raising to 600/700 here allowing him to call with a mid pair, see a bunch of overcards and fold to my push on the flop.

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I would think by his raise he has middle or small pair, or possibly Ax due to his position. An even lower possibility would be middle to high suited connectors. I bet half the pot to see if the king scares him. If he comes over top I count my losses, if he cold calls I try to outplay him on the turn with a check raise and pray he believes me
The stack which he has left is about the size of the pot, leaving little room for check-raises and folding after betting the flop.
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The stack which he has left is about the size of the pot, leaving little room for check-raises and folding after betting the flop.
Depends on the player. Weak players will put out a small bet. A strong player will put out a small bet with a monster to entice action.

Again my preflop play would of been different. Pick one of the damage control buttons. They are labeled fold and all in. weak pair or Ax would fold to all in with half a brain and a chip and a chair attitude (my attitude personally).
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After he checks to me, Im shoving all-in. He was either setting up for a check-raise (less likly) or hates this flop and will fold. If you bet half the pot here and he goes over the top you will have to call anyway (since you will have the pot odds). So might as well maximize you fold equity and push.
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After he checks to me, Im shoving all-in. He was either setting up for a check-raise (less likly) or hates this flop and will fold. If you bet half the pot here and he goes over the top you will have to call anyway (since you will have the pot odds). So might as well maximize you fold equity and push.
Fire shots at me but I dont care. Why am I calling a re-raise after a check raise? Equity? What is the equity of being knocked out of a tournament. If he doesn't fear the king or the king helps why am I calling the losing hand?

Pot odds are pointless on the rail. I am not shoving all my chips with A high even if I got him covered. 500 chips is 500 chips. I took a shot post flop and it didnt work out. Any made hand beats it.
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Shove PF. The 2 other big stacks have folded so your effective stack is 8BB. AQ is good enough to push all in in those circumstances.

The small reraise acheives very little.

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Fire shots at me but I dont care. Why am I calling a re-raise after a check raise? Equity? What is the equity of being knocked out of a tournament. If he doesn't fear the king or the king helps why am I calling the losing hand?

Pot odds are pointless on the rail. I am not shoving all my chips with A high even if I got him covered. 500 chips is 500 chips. I took a shot post flop and it didnt work out. Any made hand beats it.
You have 2500 chips right now, he has about 1100.
You fire a half sized bet of about 500-600. He moves all-in.
Now you have to call 500-600 to win a 2000 pot.
You are now getting 4 to 1 on your money.
Thats going to be really tough to fold, considering if you lose your stack is still 15 BB.
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You have 2500 chips right now, he has about 1100.
You fire a half sized bet of about 500-600. He moves all-in.
Now you have to call 500-600 to win a 2000 pot.
You are now getting 4 to 1 on your money.
Thats going to be really tough to fold, considering if you lose your stack is still 15 BB.
Yeah but the call weakens you even more. Like I said. I do not like the pre flop play. AQo is a weak hand. I lost more than I won with AQ off. Experience tells me to cold call. Many people may call that weak but it is what it is. If he is on a medium pair you are still 50/50 almost. Fold is the right play and raise all in is the right play. With all those chips committed it is a tough hand.
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