discuss. this is very important imo. I'll explain why I chose it eventually, at this point im busy with the 3r. i dont make much strategy posts anymore i thought this was a good idea.



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)

MP2 (t24335)
MP3 (t3650)
CO (t8755)
Hero (t14000)
SB (t15570)
BB (t7115)
UTG (t4525)
UTG+1 (t6540)
MP1 (t15375)

Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
6 folds, Hero raises to t450, SB calls t375, 1 fold.

Flop: (t1050) , , (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t1050) (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t600, SB folds.

Final Pot: t1650

Results in white below:
No showdown. Hero wins t1650.

Nice play here. Too many people think if you just flopped trips/top two pair you will slowplay and so excuse themselves for calling down with a low pocket pair.

If I ever raise with a medium pair/suited connector and both an A and K fall it is my standard play to check flop/bet turn.

2 checks to an action flop and I always bet. If this flop is 356, the flop's the spot. You get check/called too much on this flop, but when he checks the turn, he has a monster, a Queen he'll laydown on the river, or nothing (low-mid pair, LSC, anything suited).

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meh... i prefer betting the flop when my fold equities the highest... cuz isnt that the whole point in raising pf? so that u can go to the flop ahead, and outplay ur opponent with a cb..

To this flop?

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so if you raise pf with a s/c, you bet the flop if its checked to you HU 100% of the time you miss no matter the texture of the flop?

this is bad imo. dont you think this flop is likley to hit the villian?

QT, QJ, KQ, AX, KT, the list goes on, all of these hands are in his range, and lots of weak players think this is a gin flop for these sorts of hands.


continue discussing..

yes.

your opponent can be calling that pf raise with soo many hands: 22-99, sc's, suited 1 gappers etc.. MOST of which are going to be check-folding to you on any flop as long as u take the initiative and follow thru with a 2/3 cb on the flop. Remember ur opponent is only 1/3 to pair a flop, and a certain % of the time he DOES pair (or if he was calling with a low PP), theres gonna be some overcards on the board, etc.. So theortically if u cb every single flop, it will be +ev to you, just because of that fact. The number of hands he can be calling a pf raise with greatly outnumber the times where hes calling with AQ/AK imo. Just because thers an A on the board, it doesnt necessarily means he has it. Thus, we bet to find out if he has it or not. And in doing so we can get him to laydown anything weaker then TP on that flop because he will be thinking "if your hand is good enough to bet on a A high flop after raising pf then you must have TP". Essentially ur trying to rep TPTK by betting this flop. For example, if he had a hand like KJ here, and you bet the flop for say 2/3 the pot, your probably gonna get him to lay it down. However, by checking the flop in position, he may take it as a sign that ur waiving the white flag and thus lead out with a bet on the turn, which you then cannot call. Either that, or he may now know that it is unlikely that u have an A, and therefore may be MORE inclined to check-call your bet on the turn with just MP. Where as if u had bet the flop, he would not have been able to check-call. In my experiences, the A on the flop = a scare card for your opponent, any time someone calls a pfr and sees that A hit the flop they automatically go into check-fold mode (unless they have the A themselves, or something better). Because they think that if your hand is good enough to raise pf, and bet an A high flop with, then you must have AK or something close to it.

Basically in cash games, if its HU to the flop, I will bet any flop 100% of the time regardless. The trick is to not bet too hard, on flops like these you dont need to bet that hard to find out whether ur opponent has it or not. A mistake that alot of ppl make is that in order to cb you need to bet 3/4 to full pot. This is not the case, imo.. your fold equity is exactly the same whether u bet 2/3 pot or full pot. All you have to do is show aggression, and by showing aggression what i mean is you just have to make a bet. You dont even have to be overtly aggressive and pot the flop, all u gotta do is show that ur not afraid of the flop. Basically, whenever u have position, you should be using that to ur advantage and be playing ur position more then the value of ur cards type of thing. IMO, the whole point in raising in LP with the "loose" hands is so that u can take the flop as the aggressor and thus u will get ur opponent to laydown over 50% of the time on the flop as long as u cb it. In fact, whenever i raise in LP with any hand, I actually prefer to get a caller, strictly cuz I kno that that guy is gonna check-fold to me on any flop over 50% of the time, and all i ahve to do is to bet 2/3 ps in order for him to do that. Over the long run, this type of play nets u ALOT of money in cash games. So i would suppose it would do the same for tourneys.

Of course, for tourneys it may be different. Cuz ppl are more donkish and may check-call bets on the flop with MP or BP in tourneys because of all the bad players.


it could, and it could not have. we have no idea of knowing, thus we bet here to find out if it did, and in the process we represent TP, and hopefully get him to laydown MP or BP or a draw, or JJ-TT, etc...



well, anyways, do keep in mind that I only play cash games. and i am extremely aggro.. so it would not surprise me at all if some of my ideas seem completely absurd to you.. lol

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I like the play. You are likely to get check called on a flop like that if villain has Ax or Kx, then what do you do if/when they check the turn? You are stuck. By checking the flop it seems like you are slow-playing, causing very few people to bluff at the turn. If the villain bets the turn, you can fold, being pretty sure you are beat (Ax, KQ, Kx), and if he checks it again, then unless flopped or turned some sort of nuts (JT, AQ, AK, KK, QQ, if it is pokerstars then AA), the pot is yours with a smallish bet.