YAY mirrors! I can still play on bet365.

(Don't know how many here play HU cash games. I think Wota, gder, and TA are the only ones, but not sure. Any input would be great. Feel, purely mathematical, or just estimating the value in seeing his cards and showing it'll take a lot of bluff me.)

Anyway, my opponent's a guy I've played with a ton. I don't PT HU games, but my read on this guy over weeks and weeks of play together is that he's a weak-TAG. I push him around and he takes that as me being a payoff wizard, so when he knows he has the best hand, he loves to overbet the pot on the flop and turn against me. If the action's low through the hand, he'll do it on the river, but with a lot in the middle on the river, he value bets pretty well. My problem with this river was that I couldn't decide what he thought of the pot on the river. Was he fine with taking it down as is or did he want a call?

Just 'cause he's a TAG doesn't mean that he's incapable of bluffing OOP, but when he does it, he's careful to not lose too much.

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $3/$6
2 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Double Gutted: $1870.45
BB: $1130

Pre-flop: (2 players) Double Gutted is Button with
Double Gutted raises to $18, BB calls $12 (pot was $36).

Flop: ($36, 2 players)
BB checks, Double Gutted checks.

This was a great flop for him to check-raise me off what's most probably the best hand and I figured my only value would come him bluffing at the pot on the turn.

Turn: ($36, 2 players)
BB bets $20, Double Gutted calls $20 (pot was $76).

I was gonna raise a lot of cards here to end the hand, but again this was a great card for him raise me with almost any 2 cards or call with a big hand and take me to Valuetown on the river with a monster. Again, I thought my best value would come from him betting the river with the worst hand. Before just calling this turn, I said to myself that the MOST I'd call to any non-painted river was $40.

River: ($76, 2 players)
BB bets $40, Double Gutted ____________ ???

Dammit! He had to bet exactly $40? Go with it or lay it down?

EDIT: Converter rigged the positions.

I think when he 1/2 pots turn and gets a call, he's gunna 3/4 or pot river if he wants a fold. Unless, he is really scared of bluffing OOP. If you feel he relys on value bet looking bluffs then maybe he could have turned a FD and is representing something stronger.

However, if he is smart, (you can be weak and smart... I think) then he might totally be betting with any pair with intent to call you incase you raise river.

It seemes like your gut is telling you he is full of it. So I think you might wanna look him up here for 40$. I think your getting something like 2.5:1

Also if you call, this might show that you arn't cbetting everything.

Id personally fold river. b/c I cant really gauge what he has. If I devide blinds by 100, and this was a baybe game that I play, I think i woulda raise the turn.

Originally Posted by tightagressive

image play check is really good on the flop. thats the perfect kinda flop just to try to check down A high and see if its good (which you should do every now and then with hands like this, or small pairs)

i dont like calling the turn here, raising is really strong and against the right player will take it down alot, but this is for you to decide.

folding the turn is also fine. i dont like calling down unless you know he likes to bet into you with air alot.

1.) Exactly why I checked the flop. He likes to trap me and loves to play big pots, so I have to let him know that I'm not blindly double barreling him in position to guarantee him monster check/raise value on the flop and turn when he yahtzees.

2.) I wasn't a fan of my turn call much either and it took me a bit to make it. Didn't say so in my post to not influence responses. I was gonna bet $22-$25, but thought just calling keeps it cheap and I didn't foresee a river bet over $55. If I was willing to put another $40 in the pot, am I better off raising to $50 here? My biggest conflict was to what was a valuable raise because I was a bit baffled as to what he'd call with that I could beat and for how much.

Raising to $55, 79, T9, 57's gotta call and it blocks the river still forcing him to show his cards. I could also get AT, AJ, and A8 (which he wouldn't have re-raised PF) to fold. Make more sense than the rationale I gave for just calling him down? This board's pretty nasty.

3.) He doesn't get out of line OOP much, but likes to force me make HORRIBLE mistakes. Best hand he can have, IMO is Q9, maybe Q7s. Any better Queen that he wouldn't re-raise PF (KQ, QJ, QT) and he's gonna make some retard $50 bet here. $20 could be 66 as much as KJ, JT, J9, 79, or T9, honestly.

Back to #2, this put the reverse implied odds of calling the turn against me?

4.) This is a medium pot and yes, small relative to the amount of play we'd already put into this session, but we small pot for hours some nights and every one counts because these things come up a lot

5.) You both are seeming inclined to fold to the $40? If you are JUST calling the turn ready to face a river bet, how much?